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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 55 points 11 months ago

The more important person to punish is the one who let them do it

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

I always assumed that was the case. We are still experimenting with human drivers.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 16 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


"In late 2021, Lukasz realised that—even as a service technician—he had access to a shockingly wide range of internal data at Tesla," the group's prize announcement said.

Krupski was also featured last month in a New York Times article titled, "Man vs. Musk: A Whistleblower Creates Headaches for Tesla."

But Krupski now says that "he was harassed, threatened and eventually fired after complaining about what he considered grave safety problems at his workplace near Oslo," the NYT report said.

Krupski "was part of a crew that helped prepare Teslas for buyers but became so frustrated with the company that last year he handed over reams of data from the carmaker's computer system to Handelsblatt, a German business newspaper," the report said.

The data Krupski leaked included lists of employees and personal information, as well as "thousands of accident reports and other internal Tesla communications."

Krupski told the NYT that he was interviewed by the NHTSA several times, and has provided information to the US Securities and Exchange Commission about Tesla's accounting practices.


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[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy as a whole appears to irrationally hate Tesla because of their stupid CEO. I think his penchant for calling what is essentially "advanced autopilot" FULL SELF DRIVING should be illegal. But he's a car salesman and for some reason the government is letting him call it that. Be mad at our lawmakers for that. He's just a sheister and our lawmakers suck at reining him in. Tesla cars themselves are actually really good. Very safe cars that don't roll over because of the heavy battery located so low, very responsive acceleration, and some nice quality of life low hanging fruit in the technology department, like my phone being a key. I was told by my Tesla rep when I bought the car to not buy FSD. It's experimental and will not ever probably be driving you to your destination safely. The fact that they sell it with a name that implies it will is the problem. And people believe it. That's incredibly dangerous.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

On the same note of blame the lawmakers

There's a lot of hate about Teslas cars not reaching EPA estimates on highways.

The EPA test is the problem. The test doesn't include real world driving such as at 70mph and for whatever reasons, a Tesla often takes a bigger hit at 70mph than some other cars.

I don't doubt Tesla did some ratio optimization on the motors to get better EPA numbers, that's just playing the game, but please lobby the EPA to change the testing methodology.

Tests need to better include faster driving. Manufacturers should be required to show both numbers not a combined number in their advertising materials, and they really need to add some sort of cold weather test.

Edit: also the whole 2 different test cycles they can choose between is ridiculous. Make it all the same.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This infuriates me to no end. The EPA could just mandate multiple numbers!

I want a graph of the car going every speed between 55, 65, 75, and 85 on a treadmill at 0, 25, 50, 75, and 100°F while maintaining a cabin temp of 72°F.

I want to know how much battery it used at those temps, simulating catching every red light in a downtown setting, in an hour.

I want discharge rates for all those temps with it just sitting there for a week, same for a month.

"Combined blah" is horseshit.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Hey, EPA, hire this person!!

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Non-consentual Human Experimentation is a war crime.

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[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Random question I've always wondered about in case anyone is more familiar with these systems than me. My understanding is that autopilot relies on optical sensors exclusively. And image recognition tends to rely on getting loads of data to recognize particular objects. But what if there's an object not in the training data, like a boulder in a weird shape? Can autopilot tell anything is there at all?

[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Yeah obstructions can be generalized to a road being blocked. Object recognition includes recognizing the shape of an object via curves, shadows, depth, etc. You don't need to know it's a boulder to know a large object is in the road.

[–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Something like snow? The vehicle ignores what to do or where to go.

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