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[–] Stamets@startrek.website 81 points 11 months ago (13 children)

The fact that people look at Biden and go "Yeah but he sucks!" when you have an opponent literally saying he is attacking American democracy and wants to be a dictator on day one.

A wave of lava lapping at you're feet and y'all are worried that the raft trying to save you is a lil old. Motherfucker it is your only option.

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[–] aelwero@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Jesus fucking Christ...

Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?

That is a hella sad implication.

It's kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass "I'm not trump" he ran on last time... Not that "I'm not trump" isn't worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can't hold up anything else, after 4 years?

Anyone know who's going on the libertarian ticket next year?

[–] teft@startrek.website 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just like Hillary was the only person who could beat him in 2016…

I feel like we’re sleepwalking into a dictatorship because of old fucks thinking they know better and that now is their time.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately we're in a position this election cycle where our options are vote for old fuck, or let Nazi old fuck win.
I'm not thrilled about it either but it's something we can sort out after this election cycle. There's a much larger and important issue on the table than age and it needs to be dealt with first.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not thrilled about it either but it's something we can sort out after this election cycle

Said everyone who ever defended the preferred candidate of the DNC to someone with actual ideals and principles every single election cycle for the last 40+ years.

That's how we got to a situation where a Trump presidency was anything but a throwaway joke from The Simpsons that was supposed to be over the top satire.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you seriously think Biden's age is more important than allowing the US to fall into a Nazi dictatorship?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

No. His age is a minor thing. It's (almost) everything ELSE about him that should preclude him from being the only alternative to fascism.

He's for sure the lesser evil compared to Trump, by miles, and I hope everyone who can votes for him, but that doesn't mean that he's not still an evil.

An extremely ambitious politician from Pennsylvania doesn't just move to tiny little Delaware for reasons unrelated to it being the most corporation-friendly state in the union and "the Senator from MBNA" is no exception.

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[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This election cycle? This will be the third election cycle where the only thing going for dems is "well you don't want the other guy, so you???"

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[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years. Way more progressive policies passed than Obama but I guess none of that matters because he’s old.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I am not sure I agree with best in 50, but I'm open to being wrong. I do know that each time I read a list of his achievements, it's kind of impressive for someone who gets shit on constantly

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking "no risks". I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I'm like wtf. DNC slogan should be "not the GOP". Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.

[–] stormtrooper@sopuli.xyz 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess it really is super privilege to think third party route or abstaining is taking power back or "sticking to the man". I think it's lack of knowing the consequences and ideology thinking anything will change with the DNC. I really hope GOP crashes with soon so we can finally vote third party but I suspect That will never happen.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Ranked choice voting is spreading. That's our shot at having more viable options.

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hillary Clinton already ran on "I'm not Trump". So yeah, during an entire decade, the Democrats' only winning argument is "we're not literally criminal fascists".

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Democracy involved compromise, unless you just wanted to be defeated in detail in the political arena. You may wish that boomers and their views didn't exist, but for as long as they do, they are a reality that needs to be faced.

If you just ignore them and push them towards the repub candidates, then it isn't progressives that win, but republicans. Who can then do away with democracy at some point and secure their position despite dwindling demographics, in classic Realpolitik fashion.

Gramps may not get all the nuances of the modern world, I doubt any 80+ yr old does, regardless of how good their briefings are. But he does understand why moderates are important. And he's good at diplomacy in general.

Yes the system sucks. This is not news to anyone already past their teenage years. It's what we got though, and to reform it, you need progressive politicians, which will need moderates in order to win vs entrenched repubs. Reality is a bitch, and it doesn't treat purity very well.

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[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Anyone know who's going on the libertarian ticket next year?

I know it will be an absolute moron

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It's actually just resignation to the fact that people are so uninterested in their children's futures that they couldn't be bothered to learn about a new candidate. I don't think he's wrong about it, sadly.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do I want to vote for biden? Fuck no.

Am I going to? Absolutely.

We have a 2 party problem in this country but 1 party country run by deranged republicans sounds like shit. Their supreme court has already stolen thousands of dollars from me with their shitty rulings. Not to mention the basic rights they're continuing to strip from everyone

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just want to know what's going on in the minds of these schizo liberals and moderates who plan to vote Trump because Biden isn't left enough for them.

Like, I want a candidate further left than Biden too, but I'm not going to vote for the literal antithesis of a left-leaning American candidate. That just signals to the establishment that Biden wasn't safe enough and next time they'll put someone who is even more conservative as the nominee, and the Overton window shifts even further to the right.

Has everyone already forgotten what a shitty 4 years it was under Trump? He's not an unknown variable anymore, we know exactly how bad a second term is going to be.

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[–] drcabbage@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can Trump just die already?

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

I would vote for a literal russet potato over Donald Trump.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He's got a higher IQ than every man alive.

[–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 11 months ago

He’s going to fix everything.

[–] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Over 300 million people in this country and these two are the best we can do? And I actually like Biden and think he has done a solid job.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I dislike JB. I despise Cheeto chimp. Friggin' politics are infuriating.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 10 points 11 months ago

Alright, I'll say it. I like Joe. He's low maintenance. He got things done (infrastructure). He's fucking Putin in every which way he can. He's talking to China. The gave money directly to the people instead of just to the corporations. I think that helped the economy of the general population better than it did than the great recession.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What dumb shit to say that's going to be used against him.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I agree on the not letting him win part.

[–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Can I ask a stupid question? How is he running? I thought he was impeached, and I thought that meant he couldn't run again?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

He was never convicted in his impeachment trials.

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[–] joshuanozzi@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Jesus, Joe, why say that? You’ll lose a lot of people who are on the fence by admitting your heart’s not really in it.

He may be the best we’ve got, and I’m still voting for him for the same reason he’s running, but Biden has been such a terrible disappointment. He’s wasted the time he’s had.

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