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Biden ‘not sure he’d be running’ in 2024 if Trump wasn’t: ‘We cannot let him win’
(www.theguardian.com)
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Jesus fucking Christ...
Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?
That is a hella sad implication.
It's kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass "I'm not trump" he ran on last time... Not that "I'm not trump" isn't worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can't hold up anything else, after 4 years?
Anyone know who's going on the libertarian ticket next year?
Just like Hillary was the only person who could beat him in 2016…
I feel like we’re sleepwalking into a dictatorship because of old fucks thinking they know better and that now is their time.
Unfortunately we're in a position this election cycle where our options are vote for old fuck, or let Nazi old fuck win.
I'm not thrilled about it either but it's something we can sort out after this election cycle. There's a much larger and important issue on the table than age and it needs to be dealt with first.
Said everyone who ever defended the preferred candidate of the DNC to someone with actual ideals and principles every single election cycle for the last 40+ years.
That's how we got to a situation where a Trump presidency was anything but a throwaway joke from The Simpsons that was supposed to be over the top satire.
Do you seriously think Biden's age is more important than allowing the US to fall into a Nazi dictatorship?
No. His age is a minor thing. It's (almost) everything ELSE about him that should preclude him from being the only alternative to fascism.
He's for sure the lesser evil compared to Trump, by miles, and I hope everyone who can votes for him, but that doesn't mean that he's not still an evil.
An extremely ambitious politician from Pennsylvania doesn't just move to tiny little Delaware for reasons unrelated to it being the most corporation-friendly state in the union and "the Senator from MBNA" is no exception.
STFU. Name another presidency in the last 50 years that has been more progressive than Biden. We’ll fucking wait. SMH.
That of Obama and even that of Clinton, when you adjust for the general public being much less progressive AND much less informed in the 90s than now.
That Biden made a good cabinet appointment or two on the advice of people more progressive than himself and his PR department hailed the infrastructure bill as saving the environment (even though it stipulates a manifold increase in federal fossil fuel leases before any new renewable energy programs are allowed to even BEGIN and privatizes more public infrastructure than it funds) doesn't mean that Biden, a conservative barely if at all to the left of Joe Manchin, is progressive.
In conclusion, YOU are the one who needs to STFU and stop drinking the neoliberal kool-aid.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/13/why-progressives-winning-inside-democratic-party/#
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/08/joe-biden-presidency-progressives-donald-trump
Go away uneducated simpleton.
Your opinion pieces are not fact, boot licker. Now leave me alone.
Your opinion is from the bottom of the boot. At least the opinion pieces have references. Please include some of your own or STFU. I’ll wait.
This election cycle? This will be the third election cycle where the only thing going for dems is "well you don't want the other guy, so you???"
4th. Second time, Obama had been governing as a neoliberal rather than the progressive he ran as at first, so Not A Corporate Raider Animal Abusing Religious Fundamentalist Hypocrite was the best reason the Left had to vote for Obama again.
Yes this has big Hillary 2016 vibes.
If Biden is so confident he’s the best suited to beat Trump, why not hold a primary so the voters can back him up? There are some interesting challengers to the left of him with actual populist positions and meaningful intent to follow through on them.
The truth these geriatrics don’t want to hear is that Biden is one of the few Dem candidates who can LOSE to Trump. And he’s dead set on doing so.
Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years. Way more progressive policies passed than Obama but I guess none of that matters because he’s old.
I am not sure I agree with best in 50, but I'm open to being wrong. I do know that each time I read a list of his achievements, it's kind of impressive for someone who gets shit on constantly
How utterly depressing.
lol. How influenced by the social media algorithms do you have to be to interpret “best” as “utterly depressing”?
Someone blithely asserting that this is the best Democrats are capable of is utterly depressing.
I'm sorry your standard for "best" is "some rando on the internet said it was best!"
Name a better presidency for progressives from a policy perspective in the last 50 years. I’ll wait.
Obama. The ACA, even the version we got after centrist Democrats gutted it with zero help from Republicans, is still a greater accomplishment than Biden's entire damned presidency.
And touting that as a great accomplishment is almost as pathetic as pretending that Biden has been a good president as far as progressive policy is concerned. If this is all we have to show for the past 50 years, "utterly depressing" is high praise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/13/why-progressives-winning-inside-democratic-party/#
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/08/joe-biden-presidency-progressives-donald-trump
Wrong
Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking "no risks". I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I'm like wtf. DNC slogan should be "not the GOP". Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.
It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?
I guess it really is super privilege to think third party route or abstaining is taking power back or "sticking to the man". I think it's lack of knowing the consequences and ideology thinking anything will change with the DNC. I really hope GOP crashes with soon so we can finally vote third party but I suspect That will never happen.
Ranked choice voting is spreading. That's our shot at having more viable options.
Hillary Clinton already ran on "I'm not Trump". So yeah, during an entire decade, the Democrats' only winning argument is "we're not literally criminal fascists".
Democracy involved compromise, unless you just wanted to be defeated in detail in the political arena. You may wish that boomers and their views didn't exist, but for as long as they do, they are a reality that needs to be faced.
If you just ignore them and push them towards the repub candidates, then it isn't progressives that win, but republicans. Who can then do away with democracy at some point and secure their position despite dwindling demographics, in classic Realpolitik fashion.
Gramps may not get all the nuances of the modern world, I doubt any 80+ yr old does, regardless of how good their briefings are. But he does understand why moderates are important. And he's good at diplomacy in general.
Yes the system sucks. This is not news to anyone already past their teenage years. It's what we got though, and to reform it, you need progressive politicians, which will need moderates in order to win vs entrenched repubs. Reality is a bitch, and it doesn't treat purity very well.
When was the last time centrists compromised with anyone to their left? All I see is centrists collaborating with the right.
This right here. The DNC always fights hard against the left and when negotiating with the fascists, they start from a barely acceptable compromise (at best) and give tons of concessions from there.
And then demand praise from progressives for the "compromise" that is capitulation in all but name.
Absolutely. Their (DNC leadership) policy objectives might be a lot better (in theory, if not always in practice) than those of the fascists, but they're lying corporately owned demagogues most of the time all the same.
Older generations have a role in it but let's not forget one thing, a whole lot of people much younger than the boomer generation also support the right, the boomers present at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 were the politicians, not the terrorists. The 18-35 y.o. crowd is extremely politically divided, probably more than any of the previous generations currently living.
This is why we have to meet each other, not as public faces talking to audiences, but where people are, where they go to talk about these things when they're in the mood. As people just like them, maybe even that know how they feel and can still listen. It's not like their foundational complaints aren't legitimate.
Places like right here. Or better yet, the structure of the Fediverse as a whole, in a more systemic way. But that's long term goals, that won't be ready in time.
We have a real outside enemy now, though. Few of em. They've just been pursuing a divide-and-conquer strategy on us, and even began to see results. There's not a whole lot of counters to that strategy, it's one of the most tested and effective in all of history. There's a few though.
I know it will be an absolute moron
It's actually just resignation to the fact that people are so uninterested in their children's futures that they couldn't be bothered to learn about a new candidate. I don't think he's wrong about it, sadly.
I'm going to go so far as to say Trump is the only person Biden can beat (but even that isn't guaranteed if you look at current polling of likely voters). He is an supremely terrible candidate, like Clinton was, and people choose to ignore that at their own peril.
STFU. Biden’s is the best presidency for progressives in 50 years. Go ahead, name another who has been better for progressives. Shame on you for feeding the Trump narrative.
I mean it definitely couldn't just be people don't want massive changes and want a dude in the center keeping most of the status quo.