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Kelsey Grammer sounded curt this morning when he brusquely told a BBC Today program interviewer that he still supports Donald Trump but, according to his interviewer, this curtness doesn’t tell the full story.

Grammer’s interviewer Justin Webb said the Frasier star was “perfectly happy” to go on talking about his support for the former POTUS, “the Paramount+ PR team, less so.”

Grammer has previously expressed support for Trump – a relatively rare position for a TV and movie star to take – and he also used his BBC interview to back Roseanne Barr, another self-confessed Trump supporter.

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[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 228 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Frasier was on my backlog of stuff to watch. It's nice when my backlog clears itself like this.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (19 children)

Original Frasier is still one of the all time amazing shows. And that is almost entirely because of the "supporting cast" of David Hyde Pearce, John Mahoney, Jane Leeves, and Peri Gilpin. It is 100% still worth watching and it is even clear what episodes/seasons they were working around Grammer being coked out of his mind or otherwise problematic.

Its not quite Person of Interest's (paraphrasing only because I can't look up the specific wording right now) "he is like a dog that pissed everywhere and wouldn't stop talking about hitler" mess, but Grammer also generally seems more like a dumbass Bush-era Republican as opposed to a full alt-right lunatic. He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also "a product of his time" as it were.

As for new Frasier? I am a lot less interested in watching that. Mostly because, as so many of us point out, "They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character"*

But OG Frasier? The show increasingly became focused around Niles (which makes sense since Niles was a lot closer to what Cheers-era Frasier actually was) and David Hyde Pearce put on multiple master classes as he and the writers somehow managed to perfectly capture "the adult millennial" years before we even existed. And so many of the interactions with Martin (Mahoney) hit so much harder as you have lived a lot longer and had to acknowledge the failings of others. Daphne and Roz were often stuck in comic relief mode, but Leeves and Gilpin still kick ass when they are given a chance to shine. And, piece of shit that he is, Grammer can pull off an epic monologue to close out an emotional arc and leave you on the verge of tears, right before you burst into laughter at the punchline.

*: Also, it very much bothers me that Freddy became Martin. Maybe they go into it more, but his childhood very much established him as the offspring of Frasier and Lilith. And while it makes sense that he would rebel against his overbearing parents to be like his fun and "man of the people" Grandfather, it is completely unearned. Maybe the back half of the season does that but... I still think that having one of Niles's children (maybe a daughter) as the Martin role would be a lot more fitting. Niles dealing with a Firefighter child is comedic gold and Niles and Daphne are much more likely to "let their kids be who they are". And it would play on The Moon Genes fears of the last few episodes.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

I would have given the benefit of the doubt until the Roseanne part. My condolences to the good people whose creative work will go unseen.

flushing sounds

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also “a product of his time” as it were.

We're still in his time. I don't think we should excuse people by saying they're a product of their time until they've been dead for a while.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago

Its not excusing so much as acknowledging the different tiers of asshattery.

If you want to go full zero tolerance: more power to you. But you also are going to more or less have nothing to watch

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

“They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character”

This is amazing, gonna use it

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[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

I mean... no Niles, no care

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Yep! Buh bye now. Buh bye.

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[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 111 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Kelsey Grammar has always been a bible bashing whack job.

Just go look up his late night interview where he talks about how he randomly opens the bible to answer the question ‘how long will I live for?’ And is satisfied that god answers him by saying he will live to 160 (or some other ridiculous figure I can’t remember).

Seriously he thinks the bible is a magic eight ball and god is guiding what page it turns to.

[–] KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space 20 points 11 months ago

"God, what awaits me today?"

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. --Ezekiel 23:20

"oh."

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't you mean "bible thumping"? Bible bashing is what I do when I call it horse shit.

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[–] badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Clearly, the writers just followed him around and wrote down what he said whenever they had a Sideshow Bob episode.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Kelsey! Stop telling people the truth about yourself! Paramount+ is hemorrhaging money!"

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 82 points 11 months ago

This is disappointing to hear

[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I could hardly stand Kelsey Grammer before I found out that he was a magat, now I want to throw stuff at him

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real question you have to ask is why he supports Trump. Greed or hate?

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I respected him as a performer and enjoyed his work. That's now in the past.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I never liked Cheers or Frasier, but he seemed like an okay actor overall. I mean you wouldn't have Sideshow Bob without him.

That doesn't make him less of a shithead though.

[–] deadtom@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He only mostly supports the insurrection and attempted overthrow of our democracy, so it's cool.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 44 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And I just lost all respect for him, along with any desire to ever see him on screen ever again.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Grammer never went full "Kirk Cameron" with his professional career, but he's always been super right-wing, and the guy has some notable bible thumper and anti-abortion flicks on his IMDB page. He's done a decent job of keeping his fringy beliefs out of the press.

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[–] nomecks@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Guy who was in multiple pro-us army movies is pro Trump. Shocker of the year here.

[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nobody that is pro-US army should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US army.

Nobody that is pro-US should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US.

Nobody should support Trump.

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[–] crsu@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

His sister was murdered in the most conservative town in Colorado. Maybe conservativism doesn't work Mr. Grammer?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To them conservatism can never fail. It can only be failed, because you didn't conservative hard enough. There is no introspection, no critical thinking. Only doubling down. Because otherwise all the suffering would have been for naught.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I know you're joking, but at the same time I know you're really not.

Republicans do not believe that they do not make mistakes, they merely believe that admitting a mistake would in itself be a mistake

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If the Frasier reboot fails, will he have been cancelled?

[–] jhulten@infosec.pub 35 points 11 months ago

If I never watch it, did it ever air?

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anyone can support anyone they like, but it speaks to your character at the very least.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Dude literally led an insurrection to overthrow democracy, wake the fuck up with this nonsense?

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Boycott Paramount, they suck anyway

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Loved the OG Frasier show. The new one is cringe as hell. Without Niles the show lost like 90% of its charm.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s ok. Frazier reboot is unlikely to get renewed. People didn’t watch the original for Kelsey. They watched it for the talented ensemble and skillful writing.

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 15 points 11 months ago

I watched it for Eddie the Jack Russell terrier

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[–] Modva@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow, I've never changed my opinion on someone so fast before, that's insane.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

🎶 "hey baby I hear this tool's a fascist, a ghoul and a washed up joke... Mercy!" 🎶

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So the courtroom speach from The Simpsons wasn't acting.

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