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[–] rusticus1773@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we haven’t already, all foreign assets of Putin and all Russian leadership and oligarchs need to be seized immediately. Unless the pain is felt by those with power nothing will change.

There are also a number of Western companies still operating in Russia. That needs to change.

[–] ScaraTera@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do believe that this was a terrible move by the kremlin, but there are some rules that must be followed even between enemies. If we all do petty thing, whats the difference between us and them.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If we all do petty thing, whats the difference between us and them.

(Not) invading / annexing your neighbor, to name one.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

US currently occupies a larger percentage of Syria than Russia is occupying of Ukraine.

[–] space_frog@lemmyfly.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whattaboutisms don't vindicate Russia.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Calling whataboutism is a logical fallacy used to justify having a different set of standards for oneself and ones adversaries. It's not a serious argument. The west has positioned itself as having some sort of a high ground while doing the same and worse that it accuses Russia of doing. This isn't about vindicating anything, it's about having a consistent set of morals.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Russian economy is basically independent of the west at this point, there's no economic leverage left that the west can exercise.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the US would start dialogue with China it might actually stand a chance of taking on Russia and winning without destabilizing the region. Direct US intervention in the region would be akin to Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan: it would serve to destabilize the region.

The US will never consider this because it prefers a weak Russia to a strong China.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Do you really think that China is really so stupid that they would trust US at this point?

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fun fact: only 2.5% of the grain went to the poor countries in need. And none of the non-Russian parts of the deal were honored, so not really a surprise it was dropped after Erdogan won the election.

[–] paral121@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't really matter where exactly they sell the grain. If there is less grain on the global market, the price will rise, which is very critical for poor countries

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe this is because the EU didn't fulfill their part of the deal to allow for Russian fertilizer exports. And most of the Ukrainian grain was being exported to developed countries, which wasn't the intent of the deal. This reporting doesn't reflect all of the facts on why the deal failed. It's not the Russians being evil.

[–] Joker@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bullshit. The Russians are waging war against a smaller country that was begging to avoid war. And do you remember the Russians were lying all along while they massed troops on the border? They called it a training exercise. The reason anybody is in this situation at all is Russia. The EU doesn’t owe Russia a damn thing.

Just weeks ago, the Russians destroyed a dam, killing thousands of people and causing an ecological catastrophe. For the past year, they have been teasing a disaster at Zaporizhzhia.

You are mistaken, friend. Russia is evil.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Russia destroyed a damn under their control, and want to damage a nuclear plant they control? Does that make sense?

Anyway, the EU doesn't owe Russia anything because of their invasion, agreed. But the grain export agreement had conditions that the EU admits they failed to fulfill, for example SWIFT access. Please read up on the details if you're going to debate geopolitics, it's never as clear as what the news reports.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After the Grain Deal was struck, Western Europe became the top importer of Ukrainian grain, and a negligible amount of it ended up feeding the "Millions of hungry people around the world". The bulk of the African, Asian, and Global South countries, rely on Russian grain and not the Ukrainian. This does not affect global food security. Perhaps correct the title to not spread misinformation?

[–] space_frog@lemmyfly.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia could just stop waging wars of conquest and then they wouldn't have to worry about the world not wanting to buy their grain.

Seems simple enough to me.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Given that Russia is obviously not going to stop the war, I'm not sure what constructive point you're trying to make here. Russia is also very clearly not worried about being able to export its commodities given that their exports are growing while their economy is projected to grow by the IMF. All the trade that Russia was doing with the west has now been replaced by trade with other countries. Meanwhile, pretty much all of the world outside the west has a positive view of Russia according to the recent reports produced by the EU and the US: