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[–] windowsphoneguy@feddit.de 225 points 11 months ago (11 children)

They could easily pay those workers by terminating the contract with Rogan

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 117 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

They also bought Michelle Obama and Duke&Duchess of Essex as podcasters. Not saying these are equivalent to Rogan, just that they seem to be burning money on things that has nothing to do with music. And I'm very much not a fan of fucking up podcasts as a simple medium delivered by RSS. I have a futile hope that that decision will burn them.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 65 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

if it's not available via RSS then it's not a podcast, it's an audio show.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They're investing heavily in podcasts because podcasts are far, far more profitable than music. If they can get people used to (and hooked) on listening to podcasts (any podcasts) through Spotify then all that money spent on popular podcasters will be worth it (in the end).

I'm sure Spotify would love it if they could stop streaming music entirely and just focus on podcasts. Streaming music costs them a ton of money and overhead (bureaucracy associated with keeping track of and paying artists globally with bazillions of laws and regulations and fees to navigate) whereas podcasts just cost bandwidth.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I hate that you’re right. I listen to 0 podcast, it’s just not my format, yet they constantly push it in my face

[–] villainy@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

And I'm very much not a fan of fucking up podcasts as a simple medium delivered by RSS. I have a futile hope that that decision will burn them.

This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. When they started locking up shows to their app, I cancelled my subscription and dropped Spotify entirely. I don't even listen to any of the shows they bought but I do listen to a lot of podcasts through Pocket Casts and take umbrage when anybody fucks with the standards.

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[–] Modva@lemmy.world 182 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Just as they announced their profitable quarter.

This isn't to "Save costs". It's to further boost profits at any measure, which is what publically traded companies want. Happy investors.

[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 19 points 11 months ago

profit has been tasted, now unfettered greed takes over

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[–] hunter2@sh.itjust.works 85 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Anyone knows why Spotify needed 9000 employees in the first place?

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably devs, updates, the verification and review process for music, reports. Apparently they also create playlists by hand.

The annoying ads also won't create themselves. There's a lot of effort being put into making them as annoying as possible actually.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Trying to come up with rough IT numbers and I don't think I could break 500 (depends on how much they self-host and not considering contractors). Even if I bump it up to 4500 it seems insane for a large "digital distribution" company to have 50% of its workforce to be non-IT.

[–] yaaaaayPancakes@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

My buddy works there now, as the audiobook company he worked for got acquired by them.

You would be shocked how stupid and manual the content acquisition process is. Book publishers might as well still be operating back in the 90s, it's all phone calls and spreadsheets attached to the emails and manual FTP uploads.

If the music business is anything like the audiobook business they likely need so many non IT just to keep the machine fed with content.

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[–] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children)

How do they have this many employees and an absolutely trash android app?

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (6 children)

A lot of these “auto-pilot” apps have thousands of people employed, I don’t get it. Like, what is there to work on once you have things working pretty well? If anything they just start ruining the product over time…

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Probably data-analysis/AI type stuff to track users and advertise "better," making the backend more efficient to reduce costs, and adding support for new hardware. A lot of big, very profitable companies also have skunkworks-like projects for exploring new ideas and prototypes, most of which never make it into production.

[–] Bluefold@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Tbh most employees at a company this size become risk mitigation more than anything else. Once you've reached a certain level of success, you're looking at what doesn't move the needle as much as what makes it move positively. There could be a feature that is a major QoL improvement, but because in a test segment it performed 1% worse than base then it won't be implemented.

Spotify, I believe, still works in the tribe and guild model that they created.

Chapter = people with the same skill set, squad = a group of people from different chapters focused on a single project, tribe = a group of squads focused on a large business goal, guild = a collective of folks who have a shared interest like Data Privacy.

Suffice to say, Agile is an imperfect tool and as you try to scale it, you need an increasing number of people to support it and make it run. Coders and Designers are likely just a fraction of their head count.

I've worked places that don't have that support structure in place and they've stagnated for years struggling to get the most basic of decisions made. Decisions is what it is about too. Rarely do you get actual leadership from the c-level and especially from a CEO. So you end up with a lot of cooks trying to work out why the broth doesn't taste quite right and lacking confidence to just add a bit of salt.

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[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

To be fair, even Apple Music and Tidal are trash on Android. And Apple is a $3 trillion company with over 150k employees.

[–] tcely@fosstodon.org 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's both amazing and annoying that Google is perfectly able to create useful apps for iOS (despite the huge limitations the OS imposes) but Apple can't figure out how to make any Android app that isn't utter crap with fewer restrictions imposed on them.

@d3Xt3r
@hesusingthespiritbomb

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They want you to buy Apple.

[–] tcely@fosstodon.org 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don't negotiate with or give in to terrorists!

@ohlaph

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[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If the workers of Spotify had been unionized then the CEO Daniel Ek wouldn't have been able to fire 1500 people by sending them an email.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 39 points 11 months ago

The first quarter they are profitable ever: AXE THEM!

[–] nixcamic@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Didn't they also slash how much they pay artists? What exactly is the point of Spotify?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The point is to make as much profit as possible without losing too many subscribers. This includes cutting expenses both internally and externally

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow essentially like any other company

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not like they're firing 1500 to survive

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 20 points 11 months ago

No it's min-maxing

[–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Short term profit

[–] raptir@lemdro.id 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not really, they set a "minimum threshold" of unique annual listeners to get a payout. If a song has at least 1000 unique listeners per year it gets the same payout it did before. If it gets 999 it gets zero.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The change exclude payouts that are under 1 cent or something like that. The news got hijacked by click and rage baiters like this title by the Guardian (which I won't link):

Spotify made £56m profit, but has decided not to pay smaller artists

The smaller artists would literally get single digit cents! The Spotify hate is getting astroturfed hard it almost seems.

[–] thenightisdark@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You say that like it's a defense though.

Yeah they're paying the people who make the product we sell so little that they don't even get enough money in a paycheck to have it be worth sending them a paycheck!!

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Should spotify offer more money for less views? Maybe. But 1000 views being a threshold (and only valued at a few pennies with their current model) sounds to me like the paper they write the check on, cost more than the person may make.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 28 points 11 months ago

Yes, fire everybody. That's surely a fantastic long term plan to make that all-important line go up.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Maybe they could try not paying a fascist $200 million for his podcast. That would save some money right there.

Fuck Spotify and fuck Joe Rogan.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As much as I dislike Rogan, he's hardly a fascist. He's just an idiot that agrees with anyone speaking confidently for more than 5 seconds.

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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well I guess I did correct by switching to Tidal. From Apple Music. Until Tidal does the same, I guess.

[–] ozmot@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because of interest rates hikes, companies like Spotify have to focuses on more trivial matters like being profitable. 17% lay off seems like a lot. I wonder if they will go bankrupt?

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They reported a 65m profit on the quarter before these layoffs. I don't think they're going bankrupt unless this last quarter has been a disaster for them.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully this includes the guy that changed it so there's always some Taylor Swift song instead of what I was actually listening to last when I open the app.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Sincere question: do you use a unique, secure password on your Spotify account, and are you sure that it's never been compromised? Your story sounds very similar to a case where a Spotify account was being used by someone else.

Reply All episode about it: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/j4he7lv

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Fire the payola people that make it so even if you hit shuffle, you'll only hear the same 10% of your playlist over and over again with the same artist 3 songs in a row.

They say that they can't release their randomizer algorithm to protect trade secrets. Which is exactly what a company engaging in payola would say.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

And then Spotify will be €50 a month because costs.

[–] GerPrimus@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago

This is all your fault, you goddamn white noise listeners!

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Unfortunate to see.

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