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Can we just call these people pro-pestilence instead of dignifying them with names like 'medical freedom activist'?
I swear this sort of euphemism has become the obvious tell that they're up to no good and still demand respect for it
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Up there with "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" as far as names that usually mean the opposite of what they're claiming, huh?
How many children are going to die because of these very likely 'pro-life' activists?
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‘Medical Freedom’ Activists
Plague rats. They're plague rats.
Can we just jail or shoot them or something?
Leper colony on an isolated island.
When someone says "I'm not against all vaccines, just the ones for COVID", he is usually lying. In time this "skepticism" will slide into being against even the common vaccines and it can be seen now. My favorite blog Respectful Insolence had a good post about the so-called "medical freedom":
"Health freedom” and “medical freedom” have become a rallying cry for libertarians, far right wingers, and even outright fascists. Indeed, the Republican Party has become a bastion of antivaccine and anti-public health hostility, a process that actually predates the pandemic by at least several years. “Health freedom” and “medical freedom” have always been code words for dismantling public health infrastructure, anything resembling a vaccine mandate (even in schools), and dismantling the FDA.
Yeah, many are against only COVID because it’s gotten all the attention. But whatever leaps in logic, conspiracy theories, and blog-eurekas have them being against the COVID vaccine will apply to all the others as well. There are people in my family who don’t get their flu shot for the same reasons as the COVID one.
What religions are against vaccines??
I don't recall any of the major accepted religions saying that anything like a vaccine is bad. But these are the types of people who will probably use religion as a way to get out of anything they don't like or they think it challenges "God's plan", even if it lets them live longer.
Yeah but this is exactly the kind of thing that should be rejected as it is not "a sincerely held religious belief". You can't claim it's a religious belief when your religion does not hold that belief, only you do.
Christ Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are the only two I can think of that might, and even them I'm not sure about.
Christian Scientists are indeed against them. Jehovahs do vaccinations but not blood transfusions.
Blood transfusions honestly are not a problem most of the time, though. I’ve heard many stories about doctors just overriding the parents wishes due to emergency and the parents generally sigh with relief.
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None.
Its cherry picking what suits their argument in the moment.
Same reason they'd get offended and file criminal complaints if you throw stones at them for wearing mixed fiber clothing.
Get me out of this godforsaken shithole country.
Why are our least educated people trying to act like they know things about stuff? Who empowered these ass clowns?
I say fight to make it a better place.
But if you really want to leave, it’s honestly not that hard. Start a go fund me page, it might not get you everything you need, but put that money away and then do another one. Crowd source your exit plan. Keep doing it until you have the needed money. Might it take a few years? Yes.
We want the freedom to have our own day in medical practice performed on our bodies!
But also ban all abortion care and all HRT and send people to prison for disagreeing!
We were real close to eradicating the measles virus worldwide. Then this stuff happened.
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Parents with autoimmune children will teach their children to take more precautions in life but with a stronger sense of love. Republican Parents will kill their children and their bloodline.
If Republicans are so hellbent on Killing Children let's at least look at the bright side and note it'll only last a generation or two.
Bullshit, and this is the same fucked up defeatist logic people used to avoid a covid vaccine mandate.
Anti-vaxxers are not just hurting themselves, and they are not hurting themselves more than the rest of us, and they are not hurting themselves anywhere close to fast enough to kill themselves off. If you were right, this wouldn't be a problem at all. Anti-vaxxers don't die at a high enough rate to counter the spread of their stupidity. Covid, Pertussis, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, these diseases kill the sick, the elderly, the young, and the immunocompromised. The people who suffer most are the ones who would get vaccines if they could. It's dangerous to act like they are hurting themselves.
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Parahprasing greatly here, but in her recent book, Naomi Klein pointed out that most Americans are pilled as fuck on neoliberalism, and because the pandemic is a naturally occurring and obvious contradiction to its fundamental tenets (individualism, meritocracy, competiton, etc.), the only way to square that circle was to go insane.
I find that framework very useful. These so called activists are pilled as hell on this fundamentally individualist concept of freedom that inundates us Americans from birth. It's an almost entirely empty conception of freedom. Basically, we can say whatever we want while owning guns and generally being selfish. No one is entitled to be free of childhood disease though. That's not freedom because it encroaches on others being selfish. If you genuinely believe in individual liberty above all, as Americans are taught from birth, then childhood vaccinations are wrong.
Unfortunately it's a really fucking stupid way to run a society.
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I was on one of the vaccine trials. Had a cab driver on the way back from one of my checkups go on a COVID rant. It was awkward after I told him why I was there. Lmao. I'd do it again, felt great being protected asap, plus money.
God, I miss the 70s when everyone got their shots at school and anyone who ran out of line was called a pussy and was dragged back to get their shots so they didn't kill grandparents and babies.
When did we become so weak and scared? These idiots are gonna be the ones that bring back polio and measles.
We may not see many repercussions from this now, but when the unvaccinated grow up and the viruses have had a generation's worth of time to spread - just wait till a pregnant woman gets mumps and has a profoundly deaf baby. Or their toddler gets polio and ends up spending potentially years in a hospital, only to be released with lifetime disabilities. I know 2 people with polio, and one who is deaf due their mother having mumps (pre-vaccine days). Their lives, and the lives of their families, was/is hard. I wonder what grandma and grampa, safely vaccinated, will say when their grandkids start falling ill.
The Party of Family wants to go back to natural selection, then? Fine. This’ll select for general familial intelligence.
Not really. I guess my son with Ewing’s Sarcoma and a non-existent immune system will just die?
Inb4 “don’t leave the house, lol” — you try keeping a 4 year old indoors for 18 months.
They don't want your kid to just die.
They want to actively kill him.
because they sneer down their nose at the "flawed", until its them or their children that are "flawed", then everyone must give them decorum and respect because now its hitting home for them and they must always have respect, even when not giving it in return.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, but mine is that actively choosing not to vaccinate a child against a common and deadly virus when you are able is actively endangering them (and of course others) for no good reason.
Presumably your child with a non-existent immune system is highly vulnerable to pretty much everything, so you are taking extra steps to protect them, like a responsible, loving, non-psychotic parent.
To be clear: I absolutely disagree with these assholes and their reckless endangerment of children, their own and others. I think if they get their way, we should still enforce required schooling but at a (festering) private school at their own expense.
Didn’t mean it to come across as you being a dick—more of me commenting on my frustrations with morons.
I’m relieved. I guess in a nutshell, I was (darkly) musing that if they get their way (and damn the consequences), one of the consequences will be that the stupidity will be strongly self-limiting within a generation.
I’d rather these fuckwits got a clue, but they’ll threaten to shoot you for trying to teach them something, so …?
The people of "the party of pro-life", trying to spread plague.
You can't make this shit up.
I luckily (for many reasons) don't live in MS, but what if I don't want to subject my kid to a miasma of germs from these plague rats? Where's my freedom?
There should be a mandatory vaccination against stupidity.
Not a new target for them
"Medical Freedom" activists won't look so tough when you cough on their unvaccinated hellspawn and 5 days later they're grieving their death.
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