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Microsoft and Google may have to surrender people's data to Saudi Arabia after signing huge deals there (www.businessinsider.com)
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Microsoft and Google may have to surrender people's data to Saudi Arabia after signing huge deals there::Saudi Arabia is seeking to be an innovation hub, but activists are warning that tech firms could be complicit in the repression of dissidents.

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[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 226 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For those who keep parroting that poor big-tech has to respect local cultures and laws and that there's nothing they could do, I remind you that atheists are literally considered terrorists in Saudi Arabia. So in theory, a court order could only invoke anti-terrorism as the motive and compel Google and Microsoft to hand over private conversations of suspected atheists and these companies would then say they did nothing wrong because they just complied with an anti-terrorism search warrant.

[–] query@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not doing business in a country that is not your own is the easiest thing anyone can do.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 year ago

but then how can the line go up??

[–] overzeetop@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

a country that is not your own

Well, the already own the US (or at least most of the congress); why not try and expand?

[–] Crampon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

I HaVe NoThInG tO hIdE!

[–] Strangle@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think it might be time to advocate for individual ownership of our own ‘data’

I don’t see any good reason why our data isn’t protected under law and any attempt to monetize should be done through contracts to each person who’s data is being used and payments made to those people

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Government failure to protect citizens' right to privacy is one of, if not thee, largest money-maker Big Tech was gifted. :/

[–] rabquest@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Gonna be real hard to pass any law about that when the companies making huge profits off of our data can legally bribe politicians to prevent the vote from reaching the legislative floor.

[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That relies on a country’s goodwill to implement such a idea. In europe with gdpr we are kind of going there and it’s already a massive mess. I find also kind of hard to define ownership; where does it ends? Is derivative data one’s ownership ? When properly anonymised? Plenty of fun in the field really.

[–] Ismay@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Money has no smell...

[–] Teal@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

But actions do and this smells like 💩

[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 27 points 1 year ago

Yet more proof that each and every company is willing to sell human rights. Some companies price it higher than others, but they all have a price.

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

Wait, so Saudi Arabia hasn't requested this data, Microsoft and Google haven't offered this data, the only reason "analysts" think they could get this data is because if they have offices there they might request the data? Lol what kind of clickbait journalism is this, why on earth would Google and Microsoft, or any tech company for that matter, risk handing over user data to any country at all and locking themselves out of every other country on earth? Get this ragebait nonsense out of here.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I can't believe I might go to Linux. It looks more appealing all the time.

...

What are phone options?

[–] originaltnavn@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think fairphone has support for a foss os out of the box, other brands will take some more work and jailbreaking to get it working.

[–] original_ish_name@latte.isnot.coffee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LineageOS don't bother with any other phone OSes

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's unfortunate that until PostMarketOS gets better support for phones like OnePlus 6, you really only have the original PinePhone. The PinePhone shares it's GPU with the Galaxy S2 (released 12 years ago). However, that OnePlus 6 support really is coming along. I still use my OnePlus7 as a bedside multimedia device and it works just fine.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you use PostMarketOS?

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, I don't. Maybe in the future. I don't have the patience for this stuff like I did in the HTC Dream/ G1 era.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So how does that work with say the pixel camera software?

[–] original_ish_name@latte.isnot.coffee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use libre camera, gives me quite good photo quality

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I want to use the Google pixel camera software, does it work?

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Or if you have to use Windows, just download Windows 10 LTSC (Microsoft deserves it anyway; they refuse to sell to sell it to the public because then they can't throw ads at you all day) and have a privacy based Windows 10 that you can modify any way you want. I even removed Edge after each update forever.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You can go with a degoogled phone. Basic Android with Google services tracking you. Or a pine phone, which is nit a full replacement yet

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Landline!

And dumb phones

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

People who really care send encrypted messages hidden in needlepoint pieces.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I do like me some Google maps. Wait, dammit. Well I do know about openmaps.

[–] TheNightBird@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately none, unless you can install /e/ custom rom on your phone

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I did once on a nexus 5. It was a pain in the ass, but it can be done. What phones are easier to get root access (is that the proper term? Idk. I think in Canada they can't be carrier locked.)

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Carrier locked != Locked bootloader

One keeps you tied to a single carrier, the other allows you to access the bootloader to load custom ROMs

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 7 points 1 year ago

They could send some white noise mixed in?

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