this post was submitted on 01 Dec 2023
148 points (95.1% liked)

United States | News & Politics

7194 readers
886 users here now

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

“He’s told us what he will do. It’s very easy to see the steps that he will take. People who say, ‘Well, if he’s elected, it’s not that dangerous because we have all of these checks and balances,’ don’t fully understand the extent to which the Republicans in Congress today have been co-opted. One of the things that we see happening today is a sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the United States. If you look at what Donald Trump is trying to do, he can’t do it by himself. He has to have collaborators. And the story of Mike Johnson is a story of, of a collaborator and of someone who knew then – and knows now – that what he’s doing and saying is wrong, but he’s willing to do it in an effort to please Donald Trump. And that’s what makes it dangerous.” – Former Rep. Liz Cheney, speaking to CBS News.

all 23 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe your pops shouldn’t have done all he could to empower the fascist “unitary executive” theory then, Liz. I mean, I agree with her in principle in this specific instance but it’s tough when her dad is a huge reason we’re in this mess.

[–] RustnRuin@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is purely an outsiders perspective here, but I've never really had much control over what my dad did in his life. Is it different in the US?

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My dad is deeply troubled about where our party is, deeply troubled about where the country is,” Cheney, R-Wyo., said at an event held by the Aspen Institute, adding that her father, who served with former President George W. Bush, is a “tremendous source of advice and guidance and wisdom.”

She’s part of the problem.

[–] RustnRuin@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yeah sure. You are probably right. But also not the main part of the problem? I mean, I'm not trying to paint her as a savior or a saint, but she's also not actively trying to dismantle the system, right? There's a lot of that going around, from way too many of her colleagues, as far as I can tell. Idk, it just seemed like a nice thing, for someone to call out many of these horrid tendencies we've been seeing lately, and as far as hypocrites go, you can find way worse than Liz Cheney.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I agree with that. I respect that she had a spine when the rest of her party did not and she was willing to pay for that principled stand. I still have an issue with her selective blindness towards her father’s actions as VP but it’s at least an understandable human characteristic for many to put their parents up on a pedestal.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The system is broken and the Bush Family is a big reason why it is. This is part of some bullshit to get liberals like you to accept the GoP as "moderate" when in actuality there is no difference between Bush and Co and Trump. Trump was just loud about it and the reason Cheney doesn't like him. If you actually compare Bush and Trump I think trump comes out ahead as far as atrocities and fascism go.

Don't fall for it.

[–] RustnRuin@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don't assume so much about me please. This other guy sent me a link about how cheney wanted to balkanize China and Russia, and maybe that's not the worst idea. But it got me thinking. Why stop there? Balkanize the US too why not. They are, all three, too big and ducked up anyway. Also, an outsiders perspective, remember? I don't really have a dog in this fight. Ofc the world will suffer bigly, if Trump, and the fascists backing him, gets their will. But we all know this. So why not at least try to focus on a glimmer of compassion once in a while?

[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes. If he wins, the Trumps will rule the USA for a long long time, and you guys can kiss your beloved constitution goodbye.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

IDK, he's like 80yo, he can't really have that much time left. I think it's more likely that, assuming he gets elected, he has a heart attack before he finishes his term and the VP (whoever that is) takes over.

[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

But he as children.

[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Well, if you trust a guy who already tried to overturn the government to reform your constitution , I guess you deserve what you get. Trump only cares about one thing, himself. If you cant see that, you are deeply brainwashed, sorry to inform you. He will throw you and your people under the bus at the very second and will see no use in you, like he does every damn day.

[–] krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago

Nah we're living in a nightmare with sleep paralysis, lady

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

She's just upset that her father's not running hlthw dictatorship

[–] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev -1 points 11 months ago

if he gets the nomination, sure, maybe. quite a few other hats are going to be thrown into the ring.