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Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children. 
"Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday. 
Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis. 

Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country's population crisis.

Addressing the World Russian People's Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

"Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children," Putin said.

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[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 251 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I find it hard to imagine wanting to have kids just so your dictator has more meat to feed into his meat grinder. Perhaps the only good news is Putin hopefully doesn't have 18 more years in him, so the kids won't have to deal with him directly, but who knows who will sit in the throne next...

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 79 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I doesn't work either. Appeals to nationalism, religion, and even straight up paying and providing luxury benefits to people, in order to have them start having more kids just did nothing in the long run. The world is different. Your children are more likely to become independent adults when you put your resources into a smaller number of children. The cost/benefits ratio of having large families to produce stability, and increase the chances at least one child will be successful, has completely reverse from 100+ years ago.

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[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're already projecting compassion he doesn't have by assuming he'd wait for them to turn 18. If he thought it would work, he'd march 5 year olds in bomb vests over the border then have Elon announce that Ukraine kills children.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 21 points 9 months ago

Dont give him ideas

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah "make more people for me to kill" doesn't seem like a winning message.

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[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 108 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I wonder if women will start getting medals for babies, like soviet times? Another question, if these women are raising 8 kids, and all the men are dead in a sunflower field south of Avdivika, who the hell is supposed to be working in Russia for the next generation? Just banking on enslaving Ukraine to pay for the cost of enslaving Ukraine?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That’s probably what Russia was roughly planning to do, yeah.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This whole endeavor has been top to bottom stupid

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

From Russia’s end: absolutely.

But also from the NATO end - why in the ever loving fuck aren’t we just giving Ukraine enough to actually restore their borders? All the counterarguments effectively stem from deeply wrongheaded and dated geopolitical strategies that Kissinger would have not only loved, but in fact specifically made efforts to personally support.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think winning is not the goal of the Western military, the goal is to reduce the amount of military equipment in Russia to a historic low. This can’t be accomplished by winning quickly.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, don't forget that this was planned as a few day operation.

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[–] radix@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Narayana Murthy: People should be working 70 hours/week.

Vladimir Putin: Why so few?

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 85 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Hey Putine, let me help …..

All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 69 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I bet Putin sucks at StarCraft

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's one way to deal with an ageing population demographic.

Another way is to perhaps not throw every able-bodied young man into a militaristic meat grinder because you still yearn for the Soviet Union days.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Ah, so Russian women are broodmares for the state now?

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 months ago

Always have been.

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[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Where are these women going to find suitable partners to pick from? The smart ones left or will leave, the others will be growing sunflowers.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago

pick

I think you're making an assumption that this monster is not

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[–] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

"...so that I can send your children to be killed in my war..." Putin, probably.

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[–] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Putin seems to be in a competition with Trump for the stupidest authoritarian prize.

[–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Javier Milei, Matteo Salvini, Boris Johnson, Geert Wilders, Jair Bolsonaro & a frightening whole lot of others have entered the chat.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why past tense? They're still dying.

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[–] Matombo@feddit.de 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Well .. I don't want to say literally Hitler, but ...

[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Literally Hitler

(No need to thank me)

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[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 41 points 9 months ago (3 children)

That's why even if Russia wins the war or got some concessions, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. They're already experiencing population decline because of massive emigration aside from lower birth rate (which is why Putin is paying lip service to the conservative religious Russians to promote more birth, and in turn endeared him to conservatives across the world). The war will add to the burden of the Russian people on top of corruption and debt after the conflict.

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[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If this is true, this has to be the ultimate way of not really dealing with the population crisis upon us. Not saying any government is doing a great job here as they are all beating around the bush and not addressing root causes, but this one from Putin has to be the most delusional of them all.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 25 points 9 months ago (22 children)

There is no population crisis, unless you mean there are too many people. Most of the work we do is entirely unnecessary and only exists to help billionaires become trillionaires. At least that's the case in countries that don't need meat to throw in front of bullets.

Necessary jobs are mostly farming, mining, manufacturing, and customer service. The first two have already been automated to need only a tiny percentage of the workforce they once require. Manufacturing is mostly there as well, and is getting closer all the time. Customer service still employs a lot of humans, but even those jobs are being replaced or augmented with physical or logical bots.

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[–] Enfors@lemm.ee 40 points 9 months ago (5 children)

So, basically, Putin is telling Russian women to "get fucked for Putin"?

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[–] 01011@monero.town 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They've had a population crisis in Russia for at least 20 years.

[–] Nukken@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

It turns out if you don't value human life, it doesn't flourish.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 36 points 9 months ago

Blood for the blood god.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I have a friend who left Russia to get away from bullshit like the Order of Maternal Glory.

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[–] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe he doesn't realize it'll take a couple decades, and he'll be dead by then, for any women having children now to see them old enough to fight or have any impact on the country

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I think he's under the delusion that he will remain in power until he's 90

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 18 points 9 months ago

Or he firmly believes his successor (whenever that happens) will glorify him as a savior of some sort and be left with a glorious country, full of opportunities for the young adults. Delusions are free, just like dreams

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[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Let's keep going until there's a 1:39 male to female ratio. That'd be ideal. Not strange at all.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Let’s keep going until there’s a 1:39 male to female ratio. That’d be ideal. Not strange at all.

It's not about the ratio, it's about a total amount of bodies, regardless of gender, available to run/work the country, in the future generations.

They already took a big hit in World War II, and they're taking another hit now, and most nations taking two pop hits in a row don't recover well.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean, with Russia, it seems like it's just been constant: WW1, revolution, WW2, Stalin's reign, now this.

If anything, rather than WW2 and this being "in a row", that time frame includes probably the biggest gap in the past century without a grievous population loss.

For as much as we (Americans) regard Russia (as a state) with an adversarial eye, as far as Russians (the actual common people) are concerned, I kinda feel for them. Seems like their entire history is dominated by difficulty, hardship, and death.

Then again maybe that impression is precisely the impression that the American education system has very carefully cultivated...

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[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Hmm. Sure, Vlad. Wait: how much will that pay, per child per month?

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[–] xaxl@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Meat for the meat grinder.

[–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Putin will be remembered as the man who destroyed Russia.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Ah yes, the ol Zap Braningan Strategy.

Brilliant strategy involving sending wave after wave of your own men to die until the war magically wins itself.

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[–] chaosppe@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Good luck solving the fertility problem. I don't think any country has managed to figure it out yet.

[–] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

It's not a problem. When us women have the resources to be able to educate ourselves in the realities of the bull shit that's been peddled to us, we stop being brood mares.

[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (31 children)

It isn't a problem. There are already too many people on the Earth.

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[–] detalferous@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So they can be sent to the front line in ten years? Putin had already screwed the pooch.

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