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[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 74 points 9 months ago (3 children)

By now it would also mean adopting the Euro.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Only if the UK wanted to fully rejoin the EU. Countries can join the European Economic Area without joining the EU, like Norway and Iceland did for example - the downside being they are bound by rules they don't have a right to vote on, even if in practice the EU always consults them.

[–] taladar@feddit.de 15 points 9 months ago

They EFTA countries already stated they don't want the UK in there because it is too large and would basically ruin any influence the smaller nations have.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't that how the Brits felt about the situation from the start? That they had no say in their own laws. Seems perfect for them.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's what the papers peddled, yeah

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd go for that and Schengen just to make future fuckery even more difficult.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Honestly, I wished we were part of Schengen before we left. it's great!

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 56 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The UK is a joke you can live in.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh my god, can't you let another country suck for a minute without making it about the US?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Blame the US for that. They want to be the center of the universe. Now they're the most easy and recognisable country to use as example on how NOT to do things.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

A nightmare

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

Good luck on that.

The EU would make demands so steep, crawling on broken glass would be mild.

Brexit was a catastrophic diplomatic event, bridled with ridiculous underhanded manouvers from the UK to try and sneak away from demands.

I am not against the UK rejoining the EU but as a common member, with all the demands required to join like any other country.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's misleading to say that EU would make steep demands, because it gives the impression that EU would deliberately try to make UK joining difficult. UK shouldn't get any special treatment (good or bad) and they should get the exact same standard joining procedure all other countries would get. The standard procedure is already going to have their panties twisted, no need to give them a legitimation reason to complain.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Let's keep in mind the UK dove into directions so divergent from the EU, on such trivial matters, just to face those demands - so trivial it will feel as petty - will make the UK negotiators twist their hands in anger.

And to crown it all, just the demand to drop the pound would be nurderous to the british pride.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Absolutely. I think we're on the same page that the process of joining is going to have the UK complain and whine at every step. My point was rather that saying EU would make demands so steep could be taken as EU wanting make an example out of UK. That's not really what we should want because we know the UK is going to complain and treating them harsher than any other applicant would somewhat legitimize their grievances. I think a better wording for "EU would make demands so steep, crawling on..." would be "UK will think the demands are so steep, crawling on glass..." because then instead of seeming like EU is being unfair it's going to seem like UK simply doesn't want to play ball (which is how we have ended up in this situation in the first place).

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure the EU would (re)welcome the UK as a member, but it will almost certainly not be on the same terms they had before Brexit. I do hope it happens, but I'm also a pessimist.

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As an EU Citizen - they are welcome back, but without the cherry picking.

[–] Mako_Bunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The absolute lack of sympathy in here for those of us that voted remain is disgusting.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 16 points 9 months ago (8 children)

The way a referendum works is that the side with more votes gets to do the thing, in this case brexit. How you voted does not matter as the majority of your countries population (who voted) voted to leave. You don't get to "I voted for Kodos" this 7 years later.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That referendum was 7 years ago and it passed with a 2% majority, under conditions where the Leave campaign was caught lying out of their teeth.

A lot of people who voted on it have died since then and a whole cohort of people aged 18-25 didn't get a chance to vote.

Democracy required them to go through with it, but democracy also means they are allowed to change their mind and apply for EU, EER or EFTA membership.

I, for one, will welcome them back at the soonest opportunity.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 points 9 months ago

More referendums is the way to go.

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[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok I'm British, I live in a country that gave me permanent residency before this shit show. The remainers mismanaged the campaign by resorting to the arguments of "lol you're so stupid" and "omg so racist". They also completely and overwhelmingly underestimated the power of propaganda to influence public opinion. And didn't realise that a generation of blaming the EU for Westminster's shitty decision making might have consequences. The remainers are just as culpable as the people who voted to leave.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 9 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I remember the people being interviewed on the street saying they where remainers and also they where not planing to vote. It was a silly time.

[–] Syrus@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

You don't understand, we are sympathetic but the lead up to brexit did have a part in tanking the economy... Aside from inflation, Covid, etc... You guys need to get your shit together before we can move on. It will take time and make no mistake, You will never again regain the priviliged position you had before. It absolutely sucks for the remainers but thats how it is.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] IGuessThisIsMyName@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Brease forgive me

- Britain Adams

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 19 points 9 months ago

But majority of EU citizens do not.

[–] snake@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Snip, snap! Snip, snap! Snip, snap!

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago

Do you have any idea the toll three vasectomies has on a person?

[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No shit! As a Brit living in another country I would like Britain to never have left. BUT, now that Britain has left, I'd like to punish those who allowed Brexit to happen by preventing them from rejoining. You've made your nasty scat bed, now fucking lie in it.

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As EU citizen watching from the sidelines, I'm disappointed nobody is rallying for political reforms. The UK government has proven multiple times now it is incapable of governing and policing to adapt for changing realities. I don't think the UK is ready for any future until painful structural reforms of their parliamentary system and executive. This mess was and is caused by UK politics and they deserve all the anger as fuel to fix their workplace. Until then, an effort to rejoin would occupy the executive for years and make UK life only worse because necessary local policy-making would'nd get the attention it deserves.

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[–] Yaarmehearty@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

While I would love to have the UK rejoin it won’t happen in at least the next 5-8 years, probably not even 20 years. The problem isn’t just whether the EU would accept the UK it’s that the Brexit period was so politically toxic the two main parties won’t touch it.

The people can say they want it all they like but unless a governing party is willing to risk tearing itself apart over it then it won’t go anywhere.

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[–] Novman@feddit.it 9 points 9 months ago (8 children)

No, please no, stop UK from joining europe.

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[–] PlatypusXray@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago

Britain must rejoin! It is time to stop this undignified squabbling! It is time to quit fighting over petty whims! It is time to stand together, to unite and to face the great terrible evil in the very heart of europe: Belgium!

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 7 points 9 months ago

Insert J.J. Jameson laugh

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago

Majority of Britons support rejoining the EU ~~single market - poll~~

Fin.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


LONDON, Nov 29 (Reuters) - A majority of Britons support rejoining the European Union's single market even though that would mean the restoration of the free movement of workers from the bloc, according to a poll published on Wednesday.

The YouGov polling showed that 57% of Britons would now support joining the single market even if that meant the resumption of the free movement of people, a policy which led to millions of families and workers moving to Britain during the country's membership.

Support for joining the single market, which also guarantees the free movement of goods and services, was divided along political lines.

For those respondents who voted to leave the EU and who would back the opposition Labour Party in an election tomorrow, 53% support single market membership, with 31% opposed.

Labour, which is on course to win the next election according to opinion polls, has promised to improve the country's trading relationship with the bloc, but leader Keir Starmer has said he does not want a return to the single market.

In general, the poll shows that 72% of Britons want the country to have closer ties with the European Union, including a majority of both Remain and Leave voters.


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