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So I've been a pihole user for a long long time....but seeing the advancements in AdGuard Home and some of the nicer UI facets, I was interested in giving it a try. I also have an active directory domain that I need to manage as well.

So, prior to recently, I had routed all DNS requests thought the AD DCs, and their upstream resolver was PiHole, and then Pihole routed to its internal install of cloudflared with DNS over HTTPS to the cloudflare DNS services.

More recently, I changed my DNS services in DNS to point directly to pihole, managed my local dns records in pihole and then used conditional forwarding to my AD DCs for local DNS resolution. The biggest benefit I saw in this adjustment is that I can identify what hosts are making what requests.

More recently than that, I brought Adguard Home into the environment and am using it as a secondary DNS server. I ended up taking it out of the mix for the moment. My thought process was having one DNS server on each of my active VM hosts just in case.....but managing internal DNS records in adguard home is a bit of a pain in the ass, and there is no way to import in bulk.

So, the questions, 1) do you just use one or the other... pihole, vs adguard home.... 2) do you use multiple dns servers or just a single one upstream...3) whats your preferred method of internal dns management in conjunction w/ pihole/adguard home?

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[–] Exzellius2@alien.top 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

I use Unbound as a DNS resolver and pfBlockerNG for ad blocking. My firewall blocks external DNS, DoH, & DoT servers except for dns.adguard-dns.com, which I use on my phone.

[–] sarkyscouser@alien.top 2 points 11 months ago

I use nextdns as I can use that when mobile but if you want a local solution adguard home has DOH/DOT built in and a nicer interface than pihole IMHO

[–] GOVStooge@alien.top 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] zingbat@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Same. Although I really wish Pihole supported wildcard domains in local DNS. I haven't quite figured out how to add wildcard domain with unbound.

[–] Terroractly@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It does, but you have to tinker a bit more than usual. Because pihole uses dnsmasq, you can modify the dnsmasq configuration file to allow for wildcard subdomains. Unfortunately, while this will be picked up by pihole, you can view or modify it through their Web interface, so it's much less convenient.

[–] king_hreidmar@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

If you use helm charts this is really easy!! The one I use from mojo exposes this in the helm chart / config.

[–] pea_gravel@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait, is your unbound querying the root servers directly? Aren't services that use cdn having their performance affected ?

[–] GOVStooge@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Not that I've noticed

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

Pinhole+unbound

[–] RuffKez@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Adguard Home with Unbound. And Unbound uses root.hints file to resolve

Edit: I use Hagezi Pro, Oisd.nl as blocklists as the are very well maintained

[–] Dhrystone@infosec.pub 1 points 11 months ago

I use NextDNS on occasion. I used to use pihole a while back during the “Covid years” but something it was blocking royally screwed up my kid’s Google Classroom submitted schoolwork, he was turning in empty assignments and we thought it was his fault but it wasn’t. Had to apologize to multiple schoolteachers and vowed never to use that piece of shit software again.

[–] jimmyhoke@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a rather complex setup. I have a PiHole that is accessible over a VPN, but I only route DNS traffic over the VPN.

[–] WetFishing@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I stopped using pihole years ago because it didn’t support wildcards. Technitium DNS server is fantastic. The dev is super responsive and keeps things updated.

[–] Jonteponte71@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I think that was the longest feature list I have ever seen! 😁This looks more complete then any of the other popular ones. Do you agree?

[–] CrustyBatchOfNature@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Another vote for Technitium DNS. I used PiHole then Adguard Home and Technitium is much better for me. I actually run two of them so I never have more than one down outside of power outages. One on my Pi and one on my server that runs my Docker containers for my other services.

[–] Luigi311@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My biggest issue with pihole is that you can’t really sync between multiple servers natively. Does technetium support this?

[–] CrustyBatchOfNature@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I know others pointed to it a way to partly do this, but I wanted to just say that I don't replicate mine on purpose at this point. The one running on my Pi updates automatically and the other one does not. That allows me to test new releases on one DNS without borking my whole setup. Then I update the other manually once I know the Pi is working fine.

[–] thelinedpaper@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Technitium

I do the same, just waiting for that cluster feature to come out!

[–] WetFishing@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Check this out. I’ve been using it with 3 nodes for years and it works perfectly.

https://github.com/TechnitiumSoftware/DnsServer/issues/231#issuecomment-783114395

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[–] williehowe@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

This guy DNSes.

[–] Kltpzyxmm@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Client >> Pinole >> unbound but gonna take a look at Adguard now reading this thread.

[–] zfa@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

AGH with upstream lookups over DoH, and adblock list from oisd.nl.

Split-brain topology to give internal IP in preference to public IPs for my selfhosted services, and selective routing of a defined set of domains to a geo-unblocking service so I can access things like BBC iplayer etc. from my home network.

[–] No-Command9510@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Clients>Bind>pihole>unbound

[–] NiftyLogic@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

CoreDNS as my central DNS manager in my home(lab).

Currently two nodes are running CoreDNS with the same config for resilence. I really hate long DNS chains, because if something breaks in between, DNS is out ... wife and children scream ... me unhappy.

Current setup with five zones:

- .fritz.box - resolved to the provider-supplied router which also manages my network printer

- .home - forwarded to my UDM which runs DHCP in my home

- .lab.home - zone file which define s a wildcard to resolve all requests to my Traefik reverse proxy

- .consul - forwarded to Consul service catalog for service discovery

- . - everything else (internet) is either forwarded to AdGuard Home (and then to Cloudflare DNS) if the AdGuard service is running. If not, forward directly to the UDM. Nomad + Consul are amazing for this kind of templating and dynamic re-configuration.

Works quite well for me :-)

[–] bka-informant@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I use two Technitium DNS servers, the primary server runs in a container under Proxmox and the secondary as a failover on a Pi4. I only use Pihole for a handful of clients (mobile phone, FireTV etc.) these are assigned the DNS address from PiHole via DHCP, all other devices use the Technitium DNS directly. As internal domains I use the scheme "host.in.lan" and all devices (except servers) get their IP via DHCP (the Technitium DNS server also has this built in) and a DNS entry is automatically created for them via DDNS

[–] wiseguy9317@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

2 instances of Adguard Home (VM and Raspberry PI with adguard sync) using DOH upstream servers (currently Cloudflare, Quad 9, and Mullvad). Works like a champ, have not touched it in over a year.

[–] JohnC53@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Came here to recommend AdGuard Sync. 👌

[–] sulylunat@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I was using two instances of Pihole, one on a Pi and one via WSL on my Win10 host. Unfortunately my Win10 host no longer works, it’s randomly stopped and I haven’t had the time to try and fix it. I’ve got backups of the config luckily, but to be honest if I can do a more friendly local install with Adguard I’m probably going to give that a go on windows instead. Never tried it but I’m willing to give it a shot if it means it’s not going to break. My Pi install has been bulletproof so far and kept my network running whilst my Windows install has been broken.

[–] sdR-h0m13@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Clients (LAN or VPN) -> PiHole -> DNScrypt-proxy. All hosted on a RPi3 B+. So all my DNS requests are passing through my ISP encrypted.

[–] mjh2901@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have two piholes setup as full recursive dns servers (unbound) DHCP is handled by TP link Omada and the piholes are the two dns servers. The top of the DNS chain is cloudflare 1.1.1.1

[–] Cynyr36@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Dual unbound servers running unbound-adblock in recursive mode with DNSSEC on, with a stubzone for my internal domain (*.lan) pointed at the dnsmasq server that handles dhcp and local DNS.

I wanted dns redundancy so at least "the Internet" would work if I was rebooting something, which the sub zone handles very well.

Dnsmasq is set to no upstreams, and authoritative for the domain. This gives me ddns for clients as well.

I did look into kea for DHCP and nsd for local DNS, but kea wasn't really ready to handle dual stack clients with the ddns updates. It was neat that you can run kea in a proper redundant config. Not sure I'd have been able to get the ddns updates to dual nsd servers working without a hidden primary, leaving me with a single point failure.

[–] HTTP_404_NotFound@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I use technitium as the primary server, with a pair of backup servers running bind9.

The backup servers do zone-transfers from the primary.

[–] Thutex@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

for my home network, i use adguard in combination with my opnsense for dns.upstreams, if it needs to leave my network, are the usual suspects: google, cloudflare, and quad9 - selected based on performance

for my servers/domains i used to just be a regular BIND user, editing the zonefiles manually when needed.... but i have since switched my dns over to cloudflare because "easy and no maintenance"

(i might be one of the weird ducks in this sub: i still do my mailserver myself, but outsourced my dns to cloudflare...)

though, to be honest, there are quite a few additional reasons i did the cloudflare move:

  • the use of their cdn
  • hiding the actual server IPs
  • using their zero trust
[–] theRealNilz02@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Clients -> dnsmasq -> PiHole -> Unbound

[–] KN4MKB@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

If you have active directory why not just use it's DNS server?

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've been using PiHole for years but just switched to NextDNS. Mainly because I use DNS to filter adult sites for my kids. NextDNS works regardless of the network they are on. I used to block YouTube etc at night but if we're are on holiday they get no filter.

I switched to AD Guard (at home) now as I can configure DNS over TLS for devices that only support regular DNS. So for example my kids TV talks to AD Guard and then AD Guard looks at the MAC address and sends it down a specific DNS over TLS address. So that TV gets the filters of my kids NextDNS profile.

[–] ndlogok@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Adguardhome + Opnsense

[–] harry8326@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Clients --> Windows Server 2022 DNS --> Pihole --> Internet

[–] king_hreidmar@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I run 2 pihole containers on my k8s cluster. They serve up DNS to the rest of my network. This is extremely easy as I can just use helm to launch the pihole containers into two different namespaces using 2 different site specific files. Then I use teleport to keep them in sync when I change something, which is seldom. I run 2 because DNS is important and I like automated patching / reboots. This requires I have redundant services.

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