Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.
This is not debate club. Unless it’s amusing debate.
For actually-good tech, you want our NotAwfulTech community
Anatoly Karlin @powerfultakes
Replying to @RichardHanania
I'm against legalizing bestiality because the animal consent problem hasn't been solved, but probably actually will be quite soon thanks to Al (at least for the higher animals with complex languages). So why not wait a few more years. I don't see disgust as a good reason. It was an evolutionary adaptation of the agricultural era against the spread of zoonotic illnesses, but technology will soon make that entirely irrelevant as well.
There's no animal I'm aware of that has a mental capacity beyond that of a child. We don't think children are capable of giving consent - are we clearing the way to legalise paedophilia too, or are there animals with the mental capacity to provide informed consent that only lack the ability to communicate that consent?
Spoiler: It's not a communication issue. If this technocratic psycho was more concerned with actually contemplating the morality of the question, and less focused on rearranging the insides of a parrot, his takes might be a little less monstrous.
If this technocratic psycho was more concerned with actually contemplating the morality of the question, and less focused on rearranging the insides of a parrot, his takes might be a little less monstrous.
It's always funny realizing those who think they're asking the tough questions that others aren't smart enough to consider only ever talk about the same handful of topics: putting down minorities, advocating white supremacy, whining about anyone to the left of Pinochet and fucking animals/kids.
Like that's 95% of the content on the Motte or "I"DW.
lgbt rights bad because Chesterton fence something something.
also
Consent standards:
(╯°o°）╯︵ ┻━┻
(ᕗ ͠° ਊ ͠° )ᕗ [dolphussy]
Kinda makes you wonder what they'd be capable of if they stopped spending all their time whining that they can't say the thing they never fucking shut up about.
I don't want to endorse dolphin fucking or whatever but idk if we can necessarily very accurately map non human intelligence onto stages of human intelligence development. Like human children can idk stack blocks but they're also very emotionally volatile and forgetful. Whales can't stack blocks but they have a lot of emotional stability, good memories, and large stable social groups. How do you map between that? They're not human.
In some ways non human animals appear very similar, especially other mammals and their social relationships and emotions. In other ways they appear very different. They're their own thing and I think overly simplifying their minds by trying to work out some human age equivalent will just mislead us. It's not like a pig that can do calculus would suddenly become a reasonable romantic partner haha.
It’s not like a pig that can do calculus would suddenly become a reasonable romantic partner haha.
as a pig that can do calculus, this explains why I'm still single
Who gave you a keyboard? Back to the truffle dig swine!
I don't know, those blue whales look mighty submissive and breedable tho
i like how he sees the "consent problem" as just a communication thing. "if they could speak, they would be saying yes"
perhaps he’s not hoping for “animals able to enthusiastically consent” but is in fact hoping for “animals amenable to participating in the free market and the world’s oldest profession”
"I don't see disgust as a good reason" shows he hasn't considered reasons why a chihuahua would dissent
Looking forward to when the grizzly bear grunts in his direction and he has to decide which reaction is the clear non consent one.
Why do I feel like this guy knows exactly how far a Scooby snack gets you.
How the fuck will LLMs help you flirt with Mr Snuffle paws? What is going on in this guy's head?
It's fascinating seeing everyone project onto this things. Like a rorschach test of desires. You have the madcap industrialist slavering over firing all humans, the nerd rapturists, the sexbot enthusiasts, the doomsday preppers, and apparently dolphinfuckers now.
you just gave me a great idea for a comedy show.
Nerd makeover except gpt is fed an image of the contestant and asked how to make them over. Contestant then goes to a mingle or speed dating or whatever. Using guidance from the chatbot on what to say and do.
Can we bait tech cultists into this?
Lol @ the Scooby snack line
I don't think anyone else has said this, so I shall.
What in the actual fuck.
This is so hard because every one of his arguments is wrong, but the worst thing is that he's arguing this at all.
of all the hills to die on, why would anyone pick this one lmao
Because they want to fuck animals?
These are the thoughts of the smartest people on Earth. If you don't get it maybe you just aren't that smart?
I don’t think the guy even understands consent tbh.
So why not wait a few more years
The world this posits is wild. First, you’ve got a person wanting to commit bestiality, but only wants it if it is legal, otherwise, why wait? Second, we’re going to both translate animal language (or neural activity if you wanna go steelman) into human language and back. And third, we’re gonna use that to successfully teach animals sex education (that, mind you, many countries already don’t have a great track record on teaching humans sex ed). Fourth, somehow these animals will be able to comprehend any of this in a meaningful way for the legal system to recognise their ability to consent (again, bad track record). And fifth the animals will actually consent.
higher animals
like, birds?
I'll be shocked when dude builds his translator, and every animal, rock, and inanimate object reliably says how much it wants to fuck him. Could the translator be wrong? No, he must be that desirable.
If there's one thing I'll definitely take a very conservative stance on, it's that beastiality is absolutely disgusting and should not be legal, ever. If it's something like Sonic or a fictional drawing of an anthro on e621, fine, but if it's your pet dog Helga, you need serious help.
Why do I keep getting myself into these "It's okay to fuck Sonic the Hedgehog if you must" chats
dear internet vegans trying to start fights online by comparing eating meat with raping animals: fuck off
dear insecure meat eaters who think anyone gives a fuck you don’t like vegans: see above
Gotta wonder if that’s in any way related to how so many of those assholes have a hate-on for furries
Knowing just a smidgeon about how the statistical parrots work, I wonder were they will get the dataset for the animal languages.
This reminds me, I read an article in Nature about teaching dogs to read. Now, this was a 19th century article in a 19th century Nature, so it described how the author had written "food" on a note and placed it on the food bowl and placed a blank note on an empty bowl and eventually gotten his dog to fetch the note that had "food" written on it. Alas, due to unforeseen circumstances, it was hard to expand into more advanced literature.
So where to get the dataset? Nevermind, Magical AI to the rescue!
It reminds me of the classic story of the guy who trained his mule to subsist without eating. He trained it by giving it less and less food every day,but just when it was about ready to go without food,the stupid animal died.
Science can be frustrating sometimes.
Evolution is when all of the animal fuckers die from zoonotic diseases.
But soon they won't because we'll have something something TECH something something HEALTHCARE
hey chatgpt, how do I bit flip my dog translator?
looking at his dog what if the ai consents tho...
I keep rereading the phrase "why not wait a few more years." haunting
Every time I hear the name "Richard Hanania" it's in the context of this type of thing or worse. What's his deal?
iirc he was some sort of Trump person who was outed as writing for a white nationalist site and then Musk became on of his reply guys and he got quite a bit of fame from that. But I could be wrong.
(After writing this, here is his Rationalwiki entry and Wikipedia, guess I was wrong on the Trump thing. And bonus link Musk Reply guying)
the animal consent problem hasn’t been solved, but probably actually will be quite soon thanks to Al (at least for the higher animals with complex languages)
CW discussion of bestiality
So... there are animals with complex languages, which AI will help us understand, and we can then ask the animals if they are ok with us fucking them. (I'm not sure what animals these are. Dolphins? Whales? The great apes? The stereotypical victims of bestiality - barnyard animals raped by horny and/or lonely men - don't seem to qualify to me)
This raises further disturbing questions. Assuming we can really understand these animals enough for them to give consent to sex, where does this put humans who are now seen as unable to (the mentally disabled, children, elderly people with dementia)? If it's both ok to have sex with a pig because an AI told us it was ok, and slaughter that same pig for food, then surely it's ok to have sex with a kid, because they're at least accorded more rights than most animals, and we don't need AI to communicate with them.
They either have not thought this through, or thought way too much about it.
