I make the trip to Melbourne and back once a year on the sleeper and I have mixed feelings. I love the idea of going to sleep at night and waking up in Melbourne. The trip is perfectly timed, ie. you get off work, home / shower and back to Central for the evening departure, then in Melbourne before the day starts. That is all of the good bits. The not so good bits, the train is old so trying to go to sleep on it is near impossible, it creaks, it rattles continuously in ways you cant fix, the blinds hardly ever shut completely, the toilet/shower between the two cabins has never been upgraded since 1983 and the cabin service seems poor value.

The complimentary meal is a packet of 3 crackers with tomato relish, a small pack of savory sticks and a small cup of water. Breakfast since COVID is cereal and a cup of tea/coffee (before COVID you could choose toast). While I am sure the sleeper service is more comfy than sitting up, it is generally just sad / old train that will probably be in service for another 20 years.

Also, you aren't meant to use the power sockets in the sleeper carriage for anything other than a shaver. Once again, hasn't been upgraded since 1983 so the power is not very stable for electronic devices.

I am not sad they are stopping the sleeper, but I will just fly from now on.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The xpt is kinda crap, and it's at the point where flying is cheaper. This is only through throwing all the damage planes do into "externalities" though.

Flying is hell, emissions wise and for those who live near airport. It's a practice we need to move away from.

Trains aren't perfect, but with outlay to improve them and the lines they can become more attractive, and if flying's cost reflects its harm the use of them will inevitably rise. Trains also service the communities they pass by, allowing them access to metro centres. Planes do nothing for the people they fly over.

[–] kowcop@aussie.zone 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

All good points. I don't think I could sleep sitting up overnight, so that is why I would opt to fly. The only attractive thing about the train is I can try sleep laying down. I guess I will give the new train a try when it comes along but it isn't sounding great considering the length of the journey

I do like the start of the article where he talks about the dream train sleeper journey.. it sounds magical

[–] ajsadauskas@aus.social 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

@kowcop @naevaTheRat Heads up @timrichards, there's quite a discussion about your article over on Lemmy.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

we're on lemmy. In Aussie Zone. Where else is article?

[–] ajsadauskas@aus.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@naevaTheRat The author (Tim Richards) is a fairly regular Mastodon user. (Lemmy posts also appear on Mastodon.)

I thought I'd tag him in so he can see the discussion...

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh did you mean there's a large discussion on masto? you wrote lemmy and I got confused

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think they thought Tim richards wouldn’t realize the conversation was here on lemmy otherwise. With the username tagging, this user could be accessing the thread through mastodon

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

right I can't read

[–] timrichards@aus.social 3 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @kowcop @naevaTheRat Everyone loves talking about trains. :)

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Your review can be summarized in short: Waggons have not been updated since 40 years. Maybe they should update their waggons. Oh, they axed that plan. Again. See you here next year. And the year after.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 months ago

Personally, I don’t think upgrading locomotive-hauled stock is worth investing that money into anymore. They absolutely should have a decade ago, but trying to do that now to delay an inevitable upgrade to a more efficient D/EMU design seems like a waste of money.

What I’m more frustrated about is the missed opportunity here for state cooperation. If the government’s of Qld, NSW, Vic & SA (with federal funding support) all collaborated on a long-distance train-set, then it would benefit a lot more people for a lot less money. You could replace the useless Overland service from Melbourne-Adelaide, and bring public services back to routes like Sydney-Adelaide (currently $795+ on the Indian-Pacific). It could be built with gauge-changing bogies so state regional train authorities can use it too.

But there just doesn’t seem to be any political will for that on a federal level, and the state’s certainly aren’t going to suddenly cooperate on rail standards after 150yrs of bickering.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I booked a trip from Sydney to Melbourne on the sleeper service a couple of months ago. There morning before my departure, I got a text message informing me that the sleeper carriage I was due to be on was replaced with a seated carriage, due to “maintenance”, and I would be refunded the difference. This sort of thing would not be accepted in Europe.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Shit like that happens on a daily basis here in Germany

[–] philpo@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

Even Austrian ÖBB do this shit daily. Okay mainly due to the new trains taking longer...

[–] eek2121@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wish we had more trains here in the US. I would love to take a train from my location (major city in SE) to basically anywhere, but it isn’t possible because we had no train service…at all.

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago

Even in places there is train service, the prices are often worse than driving as is the speed, and flights are so much quicker and more affordable it's absolutely astonishing.

[–] tochee@aussie.zone 5 points 9 months ago

I got a bus + sleeper from the Gold Coast to Sydney last year, loved it. Bed was fine, was cool having my own little cabin. The shower was adequate, kinda cramped but the temperature was good. Breakfast was proper food, unlike someone else's description of the Syd-Mel. The electricity was a bit weak as I recall, just made my laptop drain a bit slower.

Going in the other direction during the day was absolutely lovely, a much nicer experience than flying. Got to see so much scenery and felt very relaxed...until the bus ride.

It was not much cheaper than flying and I only did it because I care about carbon emissions. Would be nice for the environment if they could bring the cost down - when NSW did free trips they included the XPTs and they were booked out, so people are obviously willing to use them if the price is low enough.

Or just carbon tax the fuck out of air travel 😈

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 points 9 months ago

I suspect part of the rationale is that if you’re doing the 11-hour journey propped up in a seat, you can pretend you’re flying to Dubai or somewhere glamorous like that.

[–] Taringano@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Where are sleeper. Trains Making a comeback and how to find them? (in Europe? )

[–] quicken@aussie.zone 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe England? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_rail_usage

The other places where trains are doing well they are fast enough you don't need a sleeper. Even Poland has fast trains now.