Well there wouldn't be that many dogs if you didin't farm them in the first place.
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stares angrily at dog breeders in the US
Exactly.
Wouldn't have guessed that it was Korean farmers who let the dogs out
Didn’t have it on my Bingo card either
Woo let the dogs out
"dog farmers", holy shit :(
Is that any worse than any other animal being farmed?
Well the dog farmers hang, burn, and beat the shit out of the dogs before they kill them because they believe the fear and adrenaline improves the taste and makes them more tender....so yes I'd say it's worse.
Pigs, cows, and chickens also experience incredible suffering in factory farms. The whole industry is rotted.
It’s a weird dynamic. I feel no remorse eating pork or beef. I know the process, I raised farm animals as a kid. BUT, I know someone working on genetically modified pigs for human organ transplants and that makes me somehow uneasy.
Frankly that sounds like the sort of bullshit I’d hear from Greenpeace.
Even if that were true, have you seen say a chicken farm? Workers will cruelly abuse the ever living shit out of these animals for no reason.
I wouldn’t say it’s worse than…
The chickens at the farm were filmed being kicked, thrown to the ground and having their necks broken for fun.
“I hate it when their heads come off,” one female worker says in a clip.
“Yeah, it feels good, look,” a male worker replies.
“Oh, you’re cruel,” the woman say as a chicken writhes on the ground. The other workers can be heard laughing as they all watch the hen
I was stationed in South Korea and saw them with my own eyeballs but you can believe whatever you like.
Even if that were true, have you seen say a chicken farm?
Completely ignored this part, as expected.
I grew up in farmland. I’ve seen numerous animals killed. We didn’t beat our goats before we killed them. Same with our chickens.
In general, predators like dogs are a very inefficient way to get calories. Cattle, for example, have the benefit of turning stuff like grass that we can't eat into something that we can (meat,) dogs on the other hand, largely tend to eat the same sorts of foods we would, so often we could just eat those foods and cut out the middleman
Now dogs are not totally obligate carnivores, theoretically they can be fed on a vegetarian diet, though it requires some careful planning to ensure they're getting the right nutrients, you can't just turn them loose in a field to eat grass and expect to get much out of it, by and large they're going to need to eat the same sorts of food we'd eat- a variety of fruits and vegetables. They can also possibly fed byproducts, scraps, offal, overripe or damaged produce, etc. that is unfit or less desirable for human consumption, but that still adds a lot of complexity to managing their diet, and if animal products are part of the feed it potentially means you need to worry about spreading disease between animal populations, don't want to be feeding your meat dogs on mad cow brains or avian flu chicken bits.
And as you move up the food chain you can have issues with bioaccumulation of toxins like heavy metals. Say from birth to slaughter a cow absorbs 1oz (pulling that number out of my ass) of lead and mercury and such that ends up in its various tissues. Cows are big, you have to eat a lot of cow to absorb that much lead and mercury from eating them. Now let's say a dog during it's lifetime eats the equivalent of one whole cow (again, pulled out of my ass) during it's lifetime. That dog now has that same 1oz of lead and mercury, and dogs are much smaller so it's at a higher concentration in their meat, you don't have to eat nearly as much dog as you do cow to get the same amount of heavy metals.
I mean, if we're talking about 'efficient ways to get calories', then farming any animal is a stupid way to do that.
You lose so much energy feeding them than if you just ate the food yourself or used the land to grow food.
Always funny watching where meat-eaters draw the line with their abuse. There is more cognitive dissonance among ya'll than conservatives.
The question posed was whether farming dogs is worse than farming other animals, and that is the question I attempted to answer.
The question was not whether farming any animal for food is ethical or justifiable, and so I didn't attempt to answer that.
Just a small pointer: If the goal was to convince the person you replied to, the third condescending paragraph is a surefire way to make them not listen, which is a shame because the first two paragraphs are actually solid arguments.
I saw an ad on the subway once with a cute cow and a cute dog that said "you wouldn't eat one, so why eat the other?" I ended up having a constructive discussion with a vegan on the train cause I was like "well, we don't eat dogs because they're our pets, but it it came to it, we would". Throughout history, when shit hits the fan, famine, sieges, etc. The dogs are the first to go and be made food.
We've just kind of agreed to kill this one group of animals as opposed to killing all of them. It's horrible but you're never gonna stop humans from eating meat. We just gotta encourage a more humane way to get meat. I'm a vegetarian now, but I know humans are just meat eaters and we can't change that.
...We also sometimes eat other people when shit hits the fan. 🙁.
I mean, arguably one could make a standard based on animal intelligence. Like, dogs are fairly smart, so one could argue that raising them for meat in farm conditions isn't very ethical, and similarly, farming something like, say, a dolphin, might be even worse if someone was to do that, but then that farming much more simple minded creatures like shrimp, bees, mealworms etc would be much more acceptable. A standard like that still wouldn't reflect well on most animal agriculture though given that most meat animals are mammals and birds, which can be reasonably intelligent, especially pigs to my understanding. Though I suppose the conditions of the farm matter too, like, sheep kept on adequate grazing land for their wool probably don't have too bad a life as far as farm animals go, and it's probably possible if more expensive and less land efficient to get milk and eggs from cows/goats and chickens in a reasonably humane way too, since those products don't inherently require raising the animal just to kill it.
Yes
No. Don't be a hypocrite.
You're a hypocrite
Okay.
The farmers argued that banning the controversial dog meat from menus across the country would deprive them of their livelihoods.
All make this argument.
People have to decide if "livelihood" is the highest moral priority.
Signed: The Dark Brotherhood
They're going to ruin my family if I can't sell human meat! How can my company Larry's Long Pig survive this travesty!?
The ban would take effect in 2027. It seems the idea is that upon it's passing they would simply stop raising new dogs for meat.
I'm sure they can find some other way to be useful to society.
Always sad to see people trying to stifle progress so they can avoid adapting. That's not how work works, lol. You do what society deems useful, and then you get paid. If what you're doing is no longer making you money, then you have to find something else to do.
You work for society. Society doesn't work for you unless you're paying them.
Yes! Please! 2 million dogs getting a better fate anyway
I'm not pro dog meat, but I'm not convinced 2 million dogs either a) starving to death/ripping each other apart for food or b) getting gunned down by the police and scooped into trailers with loader shovels is necessarily a better fate.
Those dogs look so sad :(
yeah obviously because the author of the article chose a picture that made them look sad
I can't imagine eating a dog.
How is it different from eating any other animal? And I don't mean that like it's ok to eat dogs, but that you should feel the same about any other animals.
Because
- it is a predator and thus a huge waste of calories
- It is smart and social
- People generally like dogs
People make a distinction between pets and cattle.
This is not the newstory I expected to read today
Eating a dog is no different than eating a cow. Meat is meat. If the cow farmers in the US decided to unleash their herds in a populated place it would also be a bad time...
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“Eating dog meat cannot be a crime like trafficking drugs or prostitution,” Mr Joo told a radio news talk show, according to South China Morning Post.
About a week ago, when the South Korean government announced its plan to introduce a ban on dog meat, animal rights organisations celebrated the move across the world.
“With so many dogs needlessly suffering for a meat that hardly anyone eats, the government’s bill delivers a bold plan that must now urgently be passed by the assembly so that a legislative ban can be agreed as soon as possible to help South Korea close this miserable chapter in our history and embrace a dog-friendly future,” JungAh Chae, executive director of Humane Society International, said in a statement.
South Korea’s ruling conservative People Power Party has put forth a bill suggesting a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment or fines of 50 million won ($38,000; £30,333) for individuals engaging in the dog meat trade.
The liberal Democratic Party of Korea’s bill recommends three-year jail sentences and fines reaching up to 30 million won.
“If I have to close down, with the financial condition I’m in, there really is no answer to what I can do,” Lee Kyeong-sig, who runs a farm outside Seoul raising up to 1,100 dogs, told Reuters.
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