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Yes, you're looking at ~92% tax right there. Final price jumped from ~113 dollars (584BRL) to ~220 dollars.

EDIT: A bit of clarification, when buying from abroad there's a flat 60% federal tax if the thing + shipping price surpasses 50 dollars. Then there's a state tax that can vary between 17-25%, which goes on top of the total taxed value. Part of the tax is literally "tax of a tax"

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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 68 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 10 months ago
[–] mlg@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Pakistan coming in with 50% phone tax + ~~18%~~ 25% luxury item sales tax + 50% customs duty + 7% service fee + cash money you need to bribe customs to release your package + shipping & handling

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And I thought I had it bad in Germany (knew about brazilian already) with shipping + 19% import tax + 6€ import handling by DHL.

[–] 5dashes@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Fortunately no 6€ handling fee for sellers using IOSS, like AliExpress.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

19% import tax

That's import VAT, that is, if you import something they want to make sure that you're paying the same 19% VAT as if someone else had imported it and then sold to you. Doesn't apply to stuff under 22 Euro as the paperwork would cost them more than you owe.

There's also import tariffs though most stuff, and in particular most electronics, don't have any tariff applied, these are EU single market tariffs and not German in particular. The currently largest one seems to be e-bikes from specifically China, a total of 80% as an anti-dumping measure. Under usual circumstances tariffs tend to be under 20%, shoes with uppers from stuff other than leather about 17%, 10% on cars, 4% on leather clothing, lots of such stuff.

AliExpress really has that stuff figured out, they're not fighting it any more, tons of issues in the past with Chinese sellers mis-labelling stuff to "save me money" which only meant that they got shitbinned by the Zoll and every single one of their parcels intercepted and inspected. They now have warehouses in the EU and do all the import handling when stocking them which means that the customer doesn't have to interact with customs at all and orders arrive in a day or three.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In these areas where bribes are so commonplace for all manner of interactions I just can't help but wonder how it goes on so long without anyone being desperate enough and wild enough to just pull a gun or a knife and basically say, "My bribe payment to you is just do your damn job and I let you live."

Or I guess maybe that does happen and then those people get disappeared.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

In India, usually they don't demand a bribe. They will process your file slowly, with the understanding that you can speed it up by bribing them.

From what I understand, Pakistan does not properly regulate weapons. But it would still be rather stupid to threaten a public servant. If you are that sort of person, smiling at the official and remarking on his good health might be a better idea. A less aggressive trick is to let them think that you are from the press / have a camera or microphone / have marked currency.

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[–] josefo@leminal.space 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Dude, Argentina recently updated this from 100% tax to 155%. We literally pay more to the government than the full price. And this is for every purchase, no matter the amount. Be thankful that your shitty politicians are less shitty than ours, you could be worse.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Be happy about your horrible situation because there are more horrible situations out there" is such a shitty take.

Basically you're saying "unless you're the single most unfortunate person on the planet, maybe even throughout all of human history, you should be happy", which is obviously nonsense.

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fallacy of relative privation (informal fallacy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

[–] josefo@leminal.space 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Be thankful and be happy are different things. "Wow, I'm thankful I'm not that fucked up like the guy over there. I should take steps to totally get away from the path that leads to that place."

It's like looking your future self in a mirror, you still can do something to get away from that bad omen.

[–] 20hzservers@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Well said, he literally misquoted you to get upset about nothing. Hope things get better for you guys over there.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

...I'm sure that dude that just got in charge will sort it out soon shudders

[–] josefo@leminal.space 6 points 10 months ago

lol, I genuinely don't know if this is advanced sarcasm, good one

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[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 5 points 10 months ago

That is insane

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

When the impostos is sus

[–] gjoel@lemmy.ml 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Denmark. I bought something from the US. About 300 DKK. I had to pay for shipping. About 300 DKK. I had to pay the toll. I had to pay a mandatory 120 DKK fee for the postal service to charge the toll. I had to pay taxes on the fee. I had to pay taxes on the purchase. I had to pay taxes on the shipping.

In the end I paid about 1000 DKK for a 300 DKK package.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Here in the US, I bought a used school bus to convert into a skoolie and I paid $3600 for it. To register it as a motorhome I had to pay a 6% tax, so $216 dollars, and that was it. I know of a few people in Europe who bought similarly-priced US buses and had them shipped over. For buses that cost around $4000, they had to pay that amount again for shipping and then double that amount for the various taxes and import fees, so a $4K bus cost them $15K to $20K.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Danish citizens and most Europeans get a lot for their tax money and fees. Not least peace of mind and a well-functioning society that actually makes it possible to live and not just survive.

I know it's easy to complain, but as someone who lives in the US, I'd be thrilled to live in such a society. I don't have any more money left over for myself even with the slightly lower taxes. I just have to pay out of pocket for everything.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would have guessed burning alive in Rio was the reason it would suck to be Brazilian

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

Rio is nowhere as bad as half the rest of the territory in matters of extreme heat. Mato Grosso, Amazonia and Pará are frequently way worse, and also where the majority of illegal forest fires for land clearing happen.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And they don't even get to speak Brazilian. They have to speak Portuguese.

And I would not want to deal with the waxing, either.

[–] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I was part of a Reddit gift exchange ages ago, before they separated domestic from international. I had to ship a $30 coffee mug to Brazil and it cost $220. Oof.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Tell them to mark it as a gift, works around here 🤷.

[–] T4V0@lemmy.pt 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't work in Brazil. Gifts cannot be sent from a business to a person, and even then there's a 50 USD limit.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You tell him to send it as a person 🤷.

What I've found out over the years is that Chinese will agree to almost anything to make a sale 😂.

And you can always claim engineering samples if it's a gift from a company 😉.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

i'm afraid they make no such exceptions here.

and its being taxed directly at the platform, so no chance of asking them to claim a lower price like we used to do before. we have to find another way.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Tell them to write it off as engineering samples 🤷. That's the only thing that comes to mind...

Maybe if you write what tax deductions you have on import, I might have better ideas 😉.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My Pine64 order wasn't marked as a gift, and it turned up at my door completely untaxed 😳

[–] conc@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hows the pinephone working for you?

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ohhh it wasn't a Pinephone I ordered, it was a Pinecil v2 and a bunch of accessories and stuff for it. Sorry I should have been clearer lol.

The pinecil is absolutely amazing so far, however the included stock tip is pretty rubbish, doesn't distribute heat too well. The optional extra ones are much better. The whole thing is deceptively small, I thought it was going to be much larger!

[–] conc@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Nah you are good, it was me that assumed. I'm glad to hear it is amazing! I've been wanted to get a pinecil too. Good to know the optional tips are worth it!

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Have you tried this trick before?

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yep, works on the Balkans 👍.

They can't charge you for anything, since they'd have to check if it's really a gift or not, and they'd rather sit on their asses than do that 😂.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Customs officers hate him because of this one weird trick!

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They do, they really do 😂. There is this one gal, Melanie, she calls me personally to ask me "how long do you plan on doing this 😒... eventually you're gonna get caught 😒" 🤣🤣🤣. I just say "I have no idea what you're talking about, I just have a lot of relatives in wherever" 🤣🤣🤣.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

This used to work in Europe for a very long time, only recently they clamped down on it and asked to declare the value on gifts too

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 8 points 10 months ago

laughs in Argentina

It can always be worse

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 5 points 10 months ago

That is insane, it's literally a robbery

[–] VicentAdultman@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Graças a Deus comprei meu RPi 4b na pandemia. Paguei só os 600 com case, cartão de memória 64gb, fonte e cabo HDMI.

[–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

On the other hand, in the USA I bought a MikroTik CRS312 12-port 10Gbps network switch from a Latvian online store (Getic) for ~$500 plus $20 shipping, and didn't have to pay any import duties/taxes because it's under the $800/day duty-free limit. Way cheaper than buying it in the USA, where the same item is commonly $600 + taxes.

Australia is similar and has a $1000 duty-free limit, however online stores that have a lot of Australian customers do need to charge Australia sales tax (GST) of 10%. It can still end up cheaper, so there's still a lot of grey imports in Australia (which is where you buy products that are available in Australia from an online store in a different country because it's cheaper).

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Por algum motivo o Brazil tem impostos disparatados sobre componentes electrónicos… não me parece que isso esteja propriamente a desenvolver a indústria local

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

O governo atual diz ter planos para começar a fabricar chips de processadores aqui. Entre isso e de fato começar a produção, podemos esperar pelo menos 6 anos (realisticamente, mais de 10).

Vale notar, esse imposto da tela é simplesmente por importação como pessoa física. 60% de imposto federal sobre o valor do produto e frete, depois tem outro imposto de cerca de 20% sobre o valor taxado anterior. Então a conta é (100 + 60%) + 20% = 190

PS: marcar o idioma do post como "português" simplesmente trava e não vai. Deve ter algum bug no lemmy quanto a isso

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