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Israel, Hamas agree deal for release of Gaza hostages, truce (www.reuters.com)

submitted 10 months ago by DolphinMath@slrpnk.net to c/world@lemmy.world

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GAZA/TEL AVIV, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Israel's government and Hamas agreed on Wednesday to a four-day pause in fighting to allow the release of 50 hostages held in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, and the entry of humanitarian aid into the besieged enclave.

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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 50 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This is such good news. Now the challenge is to keep both sides from reigniting.

I don't really know what Hamas and Haniyeh and Sinwar want, so it's hard to speculate what they'll do, but I know that Netanyahu is trying to reignite the war as hard as he can, and will be desperate to see the ceasefire ended prematurely under circumstances he can blame on Hamas.

For those who haven't followed his career (and his actions in the least week in particular) this seems abundantly clear. The absolute worst thing that could happen to him would be a deescalation that leads to an political negotiations. I really hope the US antiwar movement is prepared to increase their pressure, because I believe it's made the difference in getting us this far. As furious as I've been at Biden's response, I have read multiple reports that the US was far more involved in hostage negotiations than Israel, so I will give Biden this sliver of credit if people actually come home. But he really needs to stop propping up Bibi if he wants to land this plane for real.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Netanyahu: "We have creditable evidence that Hamas is experimenting with atomic weaponry. If nothing is done within 300 years, Hamas will have nukes!"

[–] Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is such good news. Now the challenge is to keep both sides from reigniting.

There was a ceasefire already in place prior to the 7th of October attacks

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

There was a blockade of Gaza since 2007.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

A blockade is an act of war as defined by international law.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

What's your point? I don't see how this relates to either my statement that it is good news that hostages are being released or my statement that it will be a challenge to keep both sides from reigniting.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Their hostages vs our prisoners (that we hold without trial or accusation)

No bias detected.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Edit: Confirmed that hostage is the terminology used by Hamas to describe their Israeli captives.

“Ezzedeen Al Qassam Brigades Military Wing of Hamas MovementMilitary Information Department”

archive.org link

archive.is link

“Therefore, we declare that any targeting of our defenceless civilians' homes without prior warnings will be met with the execution of an Israeli civilian hostage in our custody, and this event will be broadcast publicly“

Original comment: Maybe I’m just confused, but doesn’t Hamas themselves use the same terminology?

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hard to say with translations, a lot is up to the translator.

*In response to your edit, I thought you were referring to what does Hamas call their people being held by Israel. What Hamas calls their hostages seems less relevant to me.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The English language version is self published and not translated. Hamas also has a number of members who are fluent English speakers.

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Good to know. My main point was that I'm not going to put too much weight in word choice for people for whom English is not a first language.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

I'm not saying Hamas is not holding hostages, I'm saying a lot of Israeli prisoners are hostages.

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/is-db?skip=0 plenty tried and accused.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Which ones are the 150 women children to be released from Israeli jail?

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Which ones are the 150 women and children to be released from Israeli jail?

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

It's the set Hamas proposed, 33 are women, the rest are mostly now 16-18 year old dudes.

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Terrorists have hostages. Countries have political prisoners and prisoners of war.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas has no hostages but POWs then? 🤨

[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Nope, hostages

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

The concept of evaluating media for bias and conflating that with factuality is, frankly, terrifying. A site's political views is not necessarily representative of its factuality, but Media Bias Fact Check consistently penalizes sites that have "never failed a fact check" because they are not considered to be "least biased."

These sites bite off more than they can chew. They're extremely US-Western-centric (mostly because the authors of these sites tend to be American and thus have their own set of American biases) - claiming that America is somehow the paragon of journalistic freedoms and free speech is, in itself, an American bias. CBC, which hasn't failed a fact check, is only a "high" on the factual reporting scale, for example. Meanwhile Reuters, for which I can point to multiple instances where they got key details wrong, gets a "very high" for factual reporting.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dang, finally, 50 is still small amount but hopefully this lead to more. More importantly is the flow of humanitarian aid

Israeli media said the first release of hostages was expected on Thursday. Implementing the deal must wait for 24 hours to give Israeli citizens the chance to ask the Supreme Court to block the release of Palestinian prisoners, reports said.

Wouldn't that break the truce??

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Presumably there are "alternates" if there are objections to a specific person being released. One of the conditions is that no one who was convicted of murder will be released, so it may include someone who only gravely injured someone, rather than actually killed someone.

If you can find the list you can search each name. There well likely be some news articles about each one.

EDIT:

The full list (in Hebrew) is here: https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/is-db

Israeli press is already raising some objections to those who were being held for attempted murder - including one woman who repeatedly stabbed a mother in front of her kids.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow, big news! Yay peace!

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There will be no peace.

Once Israel recovers the hostages or confirms their death, Gaza becomes a parking lot.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

Israel could have made Gaza a parking lot well before any hostages were taken if that's what they wanted to do.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Ahead of the announcement of the deal, Netanyahu said the intervention of U.S. President Joe Biden had helped to improve the tentative agreement so that it included more hostages and fewer concessions.

In addition to Israeli citizens, more than half the hostages held foreign and dual citizenship from some 40 countries including the U.S., Thailand, Britain, France, Argentina, Germany, Chile, Spain and Portugal, Israel's government has said.

Implementing the deal must wait for 24 hours to give Israeli citizens the chance to ask the Supreme Court to block the release of Palestinian prisoners, reports said.

Qatar's chief negotiator in ceasefire talks, Minister of State at the Foreign Ministry Mohammed Al-Khulaifi, told Reuters that the International Committee of the Red Cross would be working inside Gaza to facilitate the hostages' release.

The armed wing of the Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad, which participated in the Oct. 7 raid with Hamas, said late on Tuesday that one of the Israeli hostages it has held since the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel had died.

"We previously expressed our willingness to release her for humanitarian reasons, but the enemy was stalling and this led to her death," Al Quds Brigades said on its Telegram channel.

The original article contains 980 words, the summary contains 201 words. Saved 79%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I think this bot is broken. This isn’t the article linked.

Edit: On second look this is the article, just a terrible summary missing pretty much everything important.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 7 points 10 months ago

It is, just badly bastardised.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Worked for me. Try again maybe?

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Edit: On second look, this is the article, just a very poor “summary” for whatever reason.

Original response:

Sorry, I’m confused. Here’s the first 5 paragraphs in the linked article. I’m not seeing any of it summarized by the bot.

Israel's government and Hamas agreed on Wednesday to a four-day pause in fighting to allow the release of 50 hostages held in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, and the entry of humanitarian aid into the besieged enclave.

Officials from Qatar, which has been mediating secret negotiations, as well as the U.S., Israel and Hamas have for days been saying a deal was imminent.

Hamas is believed to be holding more than 200 hostages, taken when its fighters surged into Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people, according to Israeli tallies.

A statement by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said 50 women and children will be released over four days, during which there will be a pause in fighting.

For every additional 10 hostages released, the pause would be extended by another day, it said, without mentioning the release of Palestinian prisoners in exchange.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

And Israel is going to release all of the Palestinian hostage they're holding? Or just 200?