Are players running more? Are we learning to the longer term effects of super pressing? It’s not my leading suspicion but I think it could be a cause of it.
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Too many games yes, but I also wonder if all the VAR time has lead to more injuries as players didn't used to stand around for five minutes three times per half.
Winter world cup which meant more games and thus a prolonged season and shorter break before the new one...is where my money is going.
Hello December world cup, do you remember that BBC, you know when Gaz Lineker went over there to say what he thought etc?
the incredible amount of extra minutes at the end of games. Adding an extra 15 minutes a game after ten games is almost two whole other games. Added to that fact that folks tend to get injured when they are completely exhausted.
because fifa cant help but feel even more greedier than they already are
World cup winter, no break
Jurgen just loves a moan..
Liverpool don’t even have an injury problem this year compared to the rest. What are you on about?
his style of play is the main cause. high press, high intensity for 90+ minutes.
It's gonna be worse next year with euros in the summer.
too many games innit
But I get to see football and that's all that matters apparently
Nope
Video games
and for once it's not us with the injury crisis. Not sure anything will be like 20/21 season
Don't jinx it. You can lose 2 starters in the space of a few days for 3 months when on international duty...
Looks like Brentford might have done exactly that with Collins and Norgaard
Mate we already lost Robbo…
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Word for fucking word what I came to say
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Too many games. Full stop.
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too many games.
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not enough rotation because every player is expensive.
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players are getting more athletic so more forces put into the ground at higher speeds and shorter ground contact times.
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time off between seasons are way too short. pre seasons are way too short. 4 week preseason to go from sedentary to game speed is nowhere near enough.
I don't think strength and conditioning is mediocre in the premier league
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Can’t overlook winter World Cup’s impact, that last season just didn’t end add in how competitive pre-season is getting (tours are not hammering a couple of local J-league sides anymore, it’s Arsenal and Utd kicking lumps out of each other!), when is the break? When was pre-season?
Also something I’d add is it’s not just player price, some of the most overworked players are youth products. Look at how much football Gavi and Saka have played last couple years.
Final point is PL related but the number of points needed to win a league now with how competitive the league is all the way down makes rotating players out hard. Sure Man City can rotate between Grealish and Doku, but how many even big sides have a £100m player and a back up £70m player with both happy to be there?
not enough rotation because every player is expensive so you're not going to rotate out your 100m man when every game is must win.
That is on the clubs. Top clubs have capacity to rotate but refuse to.
I see this repeated a lot but it’s not true in reality. Pep and Klopp rotate more than anyone. Having deep benches allow you to do that. Clubs with shallower benches are forced to play their best XI more often.
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Has VAR also played some role here? I can imagine having 1-2 minute pauses several times a game can make you cool off pretty quickly and your muscles become more injury prone. I believe that's actually what happened to van de Ven in the Tottenham - Chelsea game for example
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The level of premier league, cup and European games is relatively the same. However, the level of needless international friendliest, shoe-horned winter world cups and pointless nations league tournaments is ridiculous. Glad Harry Kane at least gets a winter break before the Euros.
I'm sorry how is a player playing for league and UCL in the same week different from playing in two international games in a week?
This argument is basically:
Players playing in games I like to watch is ok, players playing in games I don't like to watch is bad.
Too many games, high intensity football, lack of proper rotations
And its only going to get worse next year because of the new format for European competitions
Hogh intensity football is an underrated aspect imo. 5 sears ago most of the lesser teams would play low blocks and sit back. Today almost every team plays a high press but not all the players are built for it.
And 10 early 2000s small teams didn’t even play low blocks just generically bad football with a bit of defence, bit of attack no tactical fouls and big sides would play bottom half clubs in cruise control.
The game is better for smaller clubs being significantly more capable, it’s one change I wouldn’t want to undo at all, but something has to give and tournaments should not be expanding at all as a bare minimum. It’s getting worse not better
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I always find it interesting how people here always complain how nation team managers always play their best players for their qualification games (8-10 games spread over 2 years) and disregard how clubs don't rotate the same players in over 50 games per year.
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Players don't even get proper summer rests because the clubs are desperate to get them playing all across the globe for exposure during those time periods.
I mean do you really need both Nations league and Euro’s?
Technically you could make them different, let's say one in a classic format and one closer to current Champions' League with League A being the main qualification route - it would still keep the challenge between low-rated teams while keeping the tournament finals in the other
Right now they are redundant, yeah
I’m sure when the Nations League was first announced UEFA said that it would eventually replace Euros qualifiers. Probably changed their minds in favour of more cash.
As an aside I hate how big the Euros has become. When I was a kid it was 16 teams representing most of the top 20 international teams in the world. Short tournament, high quality, good fun. Now it’s too diluted.
The euros was peak at 16. Almost no dead rubbers even in the groups, just a quality tournament all round.
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- coincidence
We just had a world Cup in the middle of a season, of course it will impact the following season
these things are never just one cause. style of play is the driver - high intensity for 90+ minutes.
Might be them 5 minute var checks. standing still for 5 mins then immediately springing again surely can’t be good for you over time
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I casted a curse on them thats why.../s jesus fuck most of them play 60+ games a season. Thats why
New stoppage time rule? Did everyone forget about this.
No rotation
Thats what you get when everyone are playing gegenpress these days
I’ve heard that the long wait times on VAR decisions are also potentially having an impact as players as cooling down whilst waiting int be ref, and then having to go back up to full speed almost instantly. Was pointed at a possible reason for Van Der Ven’s hamstring against Chelsea
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