Throw chelsea and city in the fucking bin. Feels like this year has been such a kick in the teeth even watching this league
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Ultimately it's harsh as they complied but no one would have any complaints if they showed consistency with then dealing with the bigger clubs.
Premier League left with no option but to do their job
I can hear their collective sighs.
Chelsea sure picked a bad week for those leaks to come out.
Loool Chelsea released this news aces ago that’s what the self reporting stuff was
The Prem obviously released more details about it now on purpose because nothings changed since Chelsea self reported
They haven’t been charged with anything either so it must’ve just been the self reported stuff
There's two things with Chelsea, one is the self-reported stuff around Willian and Eto'o, the second (potentially more serious) is what the Guardian uncovered
How many times does it have to be said that the newly revealed breaches by Chelsea are NOT the same that they already self-reported?
PGMOL loves it though.
Everton requested a consultant from the PL to oversee their transactions over the course of two years, who signed off on everything and later admitted not to have reviewed any of it in the first place. I don't see how Everton could be accused of non compliance. This whole thing is fucking egregious.
They've used Everton to make an example because they're scared to do it to City or Chelsea.
Can't piss off the big 6 or they'll start their own league.
but why would they punish Everton then? The backlash is even bigger now, everyone is after City's and Chelsea's heads. If they didn't do anything to Everton either no one would bat an eye, aside from the occasional "google man city 115" jokes
No, they haven’t. Your conspiracy theories aren’t clever or helpful.
City’s is a far more complex case that will take longer to deal with, and any potential sanctions will be handed down by an independent commission, not the PL.
Everton broke the rules, in a much more simple case, and have been punished for it. It has nothing to do with City or Chelsea.
City and Chelsea can leave, no one would follow.
How naive.
I am sure that our owners, and by extension United and Liverpool's, would grab the opportunity to start a Super League. So if Chelsea and City are struck with punishment and they decide to break away, there could be a convincing argument for the others to leave too.
However, having said that, Liverpool, United and Arsenal are the biggest draws in the PL. If City and Chelsea leave, it would be a manageable loss. But the other three would definitely mean a bigger drop. So if any of the three feel aggrieved and band together to put the biggest punishment on City and Chelsea, the league will follow.
City are making enough money, they don't need the Super League. I don't think that UAE views the club as an investment, more like an opportunity to cleanse their image.
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Of you, to not understand that SL almost becoming a thing was partially because of your club and the leagues unwillingness to deal with you.
They are setting the precedent. They wouldn't dock Everton 10 points for a single transaction if they weren't planning on slamming City.
But at the same time they’ve put the point fine limit at 12 points, so it’s barely going to hurt City.
Yes they might not win the league one year, but they’d still have CL
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The rest of the big 6 would absolutely love City or Chelsea to get ruined. Probably the biggest reason for the likes of Liverpool and United being so supportive of the super league is to avoid getting left behind by clubs with bottomless pockets.
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But but but social media says we cheated and should be banned?
What's the source for this, just keen to share with some mates,
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You're telling me, they have to do their job???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If I was Everton, I'd take the deduction on the chin and move on. They are not even bottom now, and they are very unlikely to go down as there are three teams who are far far worse.
It then puts them in the position of strength should anyone else be accused. I know I may seem biased as a United fan, but if Chelsea and City get away with it, the idea of rules around finances loses all credibility and makes the competition seem like a joke.
Not to mention if Everton appeal, and they lose after a long, drawn-out process, they could risk getting a deduction next season instead. This is probably the best season to be deducted 10 points, the bottom 3 are all so bad.
It's effectively a massive fine even if they stay up, dropping 2 million per place.
That's not how appeals work. The deduction is already applied. If it gets reduced we just get the points back. It doesn't get moved to a different season
Issue with discussion is that city and chelsea didnt break the same rules as everton.
The addition of profitability and sustainabily rules with alot harder punishment makes evertons present rule breaking a bigger issue.
As for city and chelsea (Im a chelsea fan) I dont want to win outside the rules, but there has been questionable things around both arsenal and liverpool the last decade.
If we withheld 20m 2012, its not like that was 1. Uncomon, 2. Affected our ffp (by the rules applied 2012)
What have Liverpool and Arsenal done that's questionable? I assume for Liverpool you're talking about the scouts using their City log ins? Which they had to pay City £1m for so have been punished for it.
Wouldn't just be the points deductions they would be accepting though. It's in the rules that other clubs can sue them for 10s of millions each
They've got no choice because they know the independent regulator is on the way and they need to show that they're complying with their own rules.
And that independent regulator is why I don't buy this "City will get away with it" rhetoric. Don't mistake silence for incompetence in this case.
And that independent regulator is why I don't buy this "City will get away with it" rhetoric.
Money talks, no matter the time and age. What's more, who even is the independent regulator? Don't the PGMOL have something similar?
Most of the systems we've created are brilliant, economic, technological whatever. Its man that's fallible.
What independent regulator? The one Neville keeps pushing forward? I've heard nothing concrete about that and in my opinion that would be years away before the FA and all prem teams agree to what the regulator has control over.
They need to do something about these Man city 115 charges against city more quickly. Like its gonna be half a decade before they’re all investigated and they’d have won the prem another 5 times in that period, and no way in a million years will a decade of league history be altered in punishment. They cheated so much they’re untouchable.
The more time goes on the more embarrassing a guilty verdict will be for the integrity of the league. Serie A having a couple of seasons effected by Calciopolli was bad enough, this would be magnitudes worse in terms of effected seasons. Easier for them to sweep it under the rug.
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Everton got punished as their breach was obvious and documented. City case is a mess and Chelsea similar (though the new owners are complying with investigation).
City case is hard to predict what happens.
Chelsea I think would be no points but an embargo. However if Chelsea end up in FFP trouble now with their outlays in the past 18 months then I would say that same 10 point deduction is a start point
Only if it’s Everton
No they're not.... If they were, we'd see certain other clubs being hit hard by massive penalties... Not being allowed to skate by without any hint of the EPL/FA/ETC doing anything about them.
When they get around to knocking City back for what they've done... Then you can say they're actually doing anything
I swear these things always go the same way.
- Allegations drop. Fans of accused club go on the defensive while fans of rival clubs gloat.
- People tire of hearing the story constantly, neutrals slowly start to drift from “punish the cheaters” to “I’m sick of hearing about this”
- Wait 2 years
- Slap on the wrist, cost of doing business punishment is handed down.
- Fans of accused club gloat, fans of rival clubs cry foul and corruption. Nothing fundamentally changes.
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seems like they had a lot more options last season
“Would you download a car?” Vibes
Is there a chance the Everton decision gets defanged on appeal and this all fizzles out?
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Bullshit. Relegate Chelsea and Man City for breaking rules for a decade.
If there's any justice in this world, City should be national league. Start again for breaking football for the past 15 years. Everything they've won has a black mark on it, an asterisk. I don't want the extra titles, it's meaningless now. I just want the truth to come out an the right punishment for it to stop others in the future
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Let’s see how “tough” they get with Chelsea or City.
They could deduct City of 20-30 points and City might still qualify for a European non-CL competition. But they can sell it as a harsh punishment because it's twice or thrice as high as that for Everton. I can totally see this happening.
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