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Both the president and his reelection campaign are going after his coup-attempting predecessor even before the first GOP primary ballots are cast.

A full year out from the 2024 presidential election and nearly two months before Republicans cast their first primary ballots, President Joe Biden and his campaign are assuming that Donald Trump will be his opponent and have already started reminding voters why they threw him out of office in the first place.

Biden personally has stepped up criticism of his coup-attempting predecessor and is framing the likely rematch as one that will determine the survival of American democracy.

“The same man who said we should terminate the rules and regulations and articles of the Constitution — these are things he said — is now running on a plan to end democracy as we know it,” he said last week at a fundraiser in Chicago.

“This next election is different. It’s more important. There’s more at stake. And we all know why: Because our very democracy is at stake,” he told a San Francisco audience on Wednesday.

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[–] radix@lemmy.world 119 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In a sane world, the party that has only won a plurality of Presidential voters once since 1988 would try having at least a tiny shred of self-reflection. In this world, they double down on the crazy.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago

That moment was after Obama's reelection. The RNC did a big post mortem analysis on the 2012 election and reached the conclusion that they need to appeal to a wider spectrum of voter demographics and stop catering to the more extreme wings of the party. But by that point they had already let the tea party get a foothold and the train was running away towards MAGA with no brakes to be found.

https://www.npr.org/2013/03/18/174665725/rnc-report-a-postmortem-on-failed-2012-election

[–] Additional_Prune@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tax cuts for the rich running up the deficit. The horribly botched COVID response. And the attempted coup. Not to mention all the other crap. Biden's right: our democracy is at stake. Check out Trump's statements and Project 2025. Tuberville is blocking military promotions for a reason, and it ain't abortion.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It's so that the military leadership who wouldn't follow Trump's unlawful orders will be force retired early, and fascist ideologues can be identified and selectively promoted by the next Republican president.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago (31 children)

Sayeth the brocislists: "But Biden Same!"

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 24 points 11 months ago (23 children)

I honestly can't imagine Trump winning legit. His biggest strength was that he was an unknown quantity and his opponent was a woman who had to pay off DNC debt to keep popular democrats like Biden from running and beating her for the nomination.

[–] textik@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He may have been an unknown quantity to you in 2016, but for his supporters he was exactly what it said on the tin: a racist, angry old white man who yelled at the dinner table about all the things Fox News told him were wrong with this country. And after 4 years of his administration, he actually picked up votes the second time. Biden had the largest turnout in American history in 2020, but only ahead of Trump's 2020 numbers.

If anything, he has confirmed to the conservative base that he is who he said he was. If Biden fails to motivate his base, he will lose, because Trump is not going to lose votes.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

At this point the right wing his alienated all but it's most DieHard fan base, this is about as sustainable for the party, as eating out everyday with the logic that I'll save by claiming loyalty reward points. Even though I'm throwing money away to claim the free food, when I could just save money by eating what we have at the house and only eating out as a sometimes treat.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The fact that he's not an unknown quantity anymore is his biggest strength just like it took Hitler a couple of tries. His followers don't care about democracy. In fact they believe it doesn't actually exist anymore. They would much rather have the ability to attack the people they're told to hate than to have democracy. If they can lynch Muslims, "Mexicans" (really Hispanic South Americans), people who have abortions, scientists, LGBTQ+ people, "pagans", and optionally, Jews, black people, and any other non-white Christians.

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[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Question for my American friends out there: any worry about the current clusterfuck in Congress making an end to "Democracy as you know it" seem more palatable than people might realize? Just struck me as a potentially two-edged argument, especially to Republicans who are watching their own party implode.

[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A big reason why Hitler rose to popular authoritarian power was because the Weimar Republic's government was deadlocked and ineffective

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Not really because the alternative is controlled by the lunatics that have seeped into our current system and are the worst offenders in ruining it.

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[–] tswerts@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I hope the people of the USA will make the right decision. But, looking at it from Belgium, I'm also so tired of, since 2016, looking at every presidential election in the USA as being the one that will possibly sent the world into chaos. Every night-show, podcaster, ... that I'm able to watch on YouTube can only discuss the situation from the point of view from one side. This makes the programs that once were very entertaining to watch, much less fun. So since I don't have any impact on the outcome, I'm skipping many of these shows that were once a nice discraction. I'm curious if in the USA itself the people are also taking distance from this rethoric on television to not let it impact their daily lives too much.

[–] lawgicau@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

This one is neutral (probably because like you, it's from outside the country), hopefully you like it: https://youtu.be/BWAcwrn0sf0?si=O2kwJEp_XBqucNT5

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