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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 126 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

TL;DR: Due to being smaller and lighter, electric bikes and mopeds require significantly less energy to move themselves around than an electric car. The article starts with a headline about "oil demand" but then spends much of the rest of its length harping on consumer monetary costs instead. I could have said that in a lot fewer words. Actually, I just did.

Also, in SE Asia and other places where the primary mode of transport is a small motorbike, as it happens these small motorbikes actually pollute a lot for their displacement due to having basic uncomplicated engines, often not running very well, and lousy or absent emissions controls. ICE vehicles are also at their worst fuel consumption/distance traveled ratio when they're idling or crawling around urban areas at low speed. Replacing these with electric versions just makes sense.

Full disclosure: I own a gas guzzling truck, a fuel efficient car, seven motorcycles, and an electric bicycle. I use different tools for different jobs, as appropriate. If you're looking for a magic bullet, you will probably need it in a few different calibers.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I need to kill an elephant. What should I drive?

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

If you're looking for a magic bullet, you will probably need it in a few different calibers.

That's a clever way to put it and I like it

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 83 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This article is vastly understating the potential benefits of e-bikes. Like-for-like replacements for car trips are only the tip of the iceberg; the real benefit of e-bikes is that the more people that use them, the less car parking we need. That means we can put back all those buildings we destroyed when we razed our cities for the car.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Fuck more buildings....make parking lots into parks and green spaces

[–] jonkenator@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Why not both? More housing and more parks. Win win.

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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Don't forget you can ride a mile or two to the train station and get around like that.

Even if you have a bike in town and one at home. Two bikes are cheaper than 1 car and more space efficient.

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[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 59 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I did the math once for my own commute, on my e-bike and with my electric car, and found that while the electric car uses only 20% of the energy that an average gas-powered car would, the bike uses just 1%. My bike, on my route (both directions averaged together) got 2,200 mpge.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Miles per gallon energy? What's that abbreviation?

[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Just another example of how Americans will use anything but metric (we do use metric sometimes, I know, it’s just a meme). We could easily measure it in Wh/km, but then we would also have to change how we measure gasoline cars if we want people to make direct comparisons. But, since we sell gas by the gallon, we would also have to change how gas is sold. When the EPA first came up with mpge I thought it was stupid (we don’t buy electricity by the gallon!), but I’ve come around to the convenience of being able to easily compare the two types of fuel. The EPA assumes 1 gallon of gas to contain 33.7 kWh of energy.

Maybe we should get everyone to switch to Joules for measuring, buying, and selling gasoline and electricity?

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (11 children)

My only problem with ebikes is there's no chance in hell I'm consistently driving on the road with cars.

With how convenient these are, I hope there's more push to add protected bike lanes in road heavy places to increase adoption.

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[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Whaaaaat? You mean electric last-mile micromobility cuts down on emissions in a significant way, just like people had been saying for years? Who would have thought?

[–] isles@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Car-brain finds small electric vehicles are more efficient, in shocking study.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Goddamn I love my ebike. It’s still very much a bike, but it changes the equation. I can ride a nice big heavy comfortable cruising frame, pull my kid in a trailer bike, get up steep hills that would otherwise stop me, and go 4x as far before I’m tired. It is just a total game changer. I’ve rediscovered the joy of riding my bike like I haven’t known it since college. I’m older and creakier than ever but my bike enjoyment hasn’t diminished - it has increased.

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (4 children)

When I was younger and more invincible around 2005, I bought one of these crappy Ebay engine kits for a bicycle. One thing I noticed is that it wasn't really any slower from home to work than a car, because I could go around traffic. An E-bike would have been great. A lot of them get around on 500 watt or 750 watt motors, which is considerably smaller than an electric car's motor.

I'd have one now, but it's hard to ride one when I have to carry a kid with me most places.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (11 children)

I’d have one now, but it’s hard to ride one when I have to carry a kid with me most places.

I got an e-bike because I needed to carry a kid (actually, two) around with me. FYI, cargo bikes are a thing:

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It’s fun how the preview image for the article has two kids being carried around. But I can understand if you don’t see that as safe in your area, etc.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First and foremost, people can afford them.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Second, they are more fun and you get to avoid all the traffic.

Third, cheap to run, no need to pay insurance, taxes, parking.

Fourth, anyone can ride it even children, no drivers license needed.

And so on...

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Oh really? Maybe not moving 2,5 tons of metal and battery isnt a good idea? Maybe bikes were always a better mode of transport? I have a feeling that this was pretty obvious.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 23 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Great. All technologies that bring down CO2 emissions are needed.

As long as people get rid of their dino juice cars, who cares.

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[–] computerscientistI@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I have heard this for years now. This all fine. I also have an E-Bike. I really love using it. But I live in central Europe. Weather is really shitty here from October-March. I use my car then. And no, clothing for biking in bad weather is not an option for me. I really can't be bothered to change clothes on my job. I just won't do that.

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[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Watched a YouTube about electric vs gas scooters in Taiwan 🇹🇼. Apparently it's like 6 scooters for every 10 people, crazy!

But the uptake of electric scooters wasn't as much as they thought, but a lot of complaints were around "cost", "parking" and "weight"

Sounds like an electric bicycle would solve all those issues over an electric scooter 🛵

Especially for the poorer, high 2 wheel usage nations, like Vietnam or India.

Just have to pedal a bit! 😉

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 22 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I think big cars and SUV should be banned.everyone should use a moped or a bike but 9-5s pretending to be rich will hate it.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Love to see this!

On a related note: Feel free to stop by !micromobility@lemmy.world

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Ebikes need secure destination parking or they lose usefulness

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This reads like an advertisement. Not saying it is. But it does.

Edit: Oh, AAP (Australian Associated Press)! Then it's definitely an advertisement.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

these are feasible in cities that you wouldn't want to drive a car in anyways. probably not so good for commuting around Boise Idaho

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Boise is a college down that is VERY bike friendly. Nearly 200miles of bike lanes and trails.

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[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We sold our car and committed around Tacoma for about 6 months before we moved to the Netherlands. It was awful in a ton of ways, but for a lot of trips it was way better. The majority of trips are under a mile, so dropping the kids off at preschool and stuff was way better on a bike. It's actually quite a bit faster since kids love to get on the bike instead of the long fight against the car seat.

We also did a few shopping trips. You can't really do much more than 3 bags on a long tail bike with two kids in the back, but it worked well enough for shopping trips. People look at you like you're crazy in the US when you've got things strapped all over your bike, but here it's just completely normal. We probably would ride year round there if it wasn't for how dangerous cars are when it rains. I have no problem biking in the wind and the rain here because I know I'm not going to be randomly murdered by some idiot in a multiton metal box.

I'm not familiar with Boise, but I'd bet that an eBike would still be better for a lot of trips.

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[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (18 children)

Is this some universe where people forgot bikes exist? How are electric vehicles better than riding a bike?

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