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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, it's not

It's piracy, a different crime

A crime I love committing babyyyyyyyyyy

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

We here at Futurama do not condone the cool crime of burglary.

[–] sverit@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yeah, when you steal something from someone then he does not have it anymore. With indefinitely replicable virtual goods that is not the case.

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[–] art@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (14 children)

If I steal your bicycle
you have to take the bus,
but if I just copy it
there's one for each of us!

[–] Willer@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

im a bicycle store owner and this is so true

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like to think this implies that people are coming into your store and cloning the bicycles

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You wouldn't download a bicycle would you?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I absolutely would.

Call me Missingno. Cuz I would have 99 of them shits

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If I steal food from the store, I'm both robbing the store, and a community that would have paid good money for that food.

If I go to the store and magically have the items on the shelves be duplicated into my cart, and I don't have to pay for them. That is not a crime that is a miracle

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Consider this. (big chain) Stores already steal from the community via profits they make.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

And while we’re on about food, look at how much the grocery stores toss out.

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[–] aradgus@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

'I wonder who this ship belongs to anyway,' said Arthur.

'Me,' said Zaphod.

'No. Who it really belongs to.'

'Really me,' insisted Zaphod. 'Look, property is theft, right? Therefore theft is property. Therefore this ship is mine, okay?'

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[–] Thteven@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

"Fuck EA" ~ Me

[–] lugal@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to remove a man's mind, will, and personality, is the power of life and death, and that it makes a man a slave. It is murder. Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What Is Property?

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Also if buying isn't owning than wtf did I buy. In any other time period this corporate shit would be considered a scam.

[–] HorseWithNoName@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Also if buying isn't owning than wtf did I buy.

"Access." It is such a scam.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You didn't buy anything, we rent now...

Landlords everywhere, even on the internet... It's disgusting. They get to own, we get to borrow...

So to OP, it's still stealing as they own everything, we just rent. Fucking scam for sure :(

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[–] Gerbler@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

"YoU BoUgHt a lIcEnSe tO UsE ThE PrOdUcT"

Funny how the word license never comes up until you read the fine print. Colloquially you're buying the product. If we're going by legal technicalities then legally I ain't stealing shit.

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[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's the theft of profit they don't like, they don't care if you watch it, just that you give them money for the opportunity to watch.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, they still don't like it when I buy a copy of a video game and then pirate it as well

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 9 points 1 year ago

yup. anti-piracy is about control, not profits. this is trivial to deduce from the simple fact that no one ever measures a drm solution's performance in total sales recovered, they only ever whine about hypothetical lost ones, which is the corporate equivalent of sideways for attention, long way for effect

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think you mean "extract value"

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Taking a copy of an infinitely replicable resource is perfectly ethical.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a world where people’s lives are sustained by a model that diminishes their income when copying instead of buying, you can’t exactly call it “perfectly ethical”.

You can make an argument that your copying isn’t preventing a sale and that probably works most of the time, but not all the time.

I think “it’s complicated” is a more true statement of the conundrum.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The issue is that there exists some sort of digital Bourgeoisie, people that just make their money by owning digital data, while the digital proletariat, the artists and programmers, that creates the data aren't well financially compensated or might not even be employed at the company anymore.

Pirates should be mindful who they are hurting, and that depends on the piece of work they are pirating, the time when they are doing it and many other circumstances. That decides if is ethical or not.

Creators should be well compensated for their time and effort, so that they continue to create and if that is the case piracy doesn't matter.

[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Self published indie game that you really like? Pay for it, support the creator(s)

Music written/recorded by long dead people whose rights are owned by some massive faceless corporation to line the pockets of CEOs and shareholders? Fuck them, pirate away

Future generations will cringe at how much creative innovation has been stifled by our repressive copyright laws, extending it past 20 years flat was a major mistake

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[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We all stand on the shoulders of giants!

when it was black music or achievements, where were those property rights then? chuck berry was robbed, so were many others. Where was the outrage then? seems to me property is only respected if it comes to the belongings of those in power, but if you are a native american your entire country is up for grabs... how come?

The actual damage is done to the billions of people that are excluded from education, from science and from just books, by property and copy rights. The damage done to mankind done by patent law far exceeds any damage done to individuals holding patents.

We artificially live in a world that is less educated than it could be. I would like to live in the world with the most possible education.

Think about who is damaged by our lack of education? think about who benefits from our ignorance?

Who's interests outweigh the ability of all of mankind to educate themselves? Our taxes paid for the science, the articles should be gratis.

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[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 1 year ago (13 children)

God damn right!

....I mean... PIRACY IS WRONG AND IMORRAL!

stealing from billionaires is bad! How are they supposed to afford their giant mansions and gold Hummers if we pirate things?!

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Idk if it's just me but that image isn't showing.

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it’s webm and that shit can blow me.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

WeBM.

Yes, yes. Everybody Poops.

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

In case you or anyone else is curious, it's a reaction gif of Will Ferrell as Ron Burgundy from Anchorman saying, "I can't argue with any of those points."

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[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

It's not piracy it's reclamation

[–] LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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