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[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago (5 children)

"Libertarian party endorses man who fought to install authoritarian dictatorship."

Whatever happened to the whole "Don't tread on me" slogan? Oh right. I forgot it was all bullshit.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

“We want a small government! And by small we mean a permanent fascist dictator with all the power and no accountability!”

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yep. "Libertarian" is just a mask-on way of saying "I want all regulations removed so I can fully indulge my psycopathic thirst for greater and greater wealth" because if they were honest, even the most gullible middle-class voters would be escorting them to the guillotine.

I can guarantee that sleazy neoliberal circles have done the maths on the most profitable political system to back and the results were almost certainly...

  1. Fascism (because slaves)
  2. Libertarianism (because using child workers to dump toxic waste in public waterways counts as "freedom")
  3. Conservative neoliberalism (because you can mostly get what you want by donating bribes and don't need to worry about morality)
  4. "Left-wing" neoliberalism (mostly the same as above but you have to be slightly less greedy and look sad doing it)
  5. Progressivism (because they'd have to pay for taxes, workers and the environmental cost of their products)
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately that's ironically correct. Neo-libertarians funded and propped up by stolen capitalist trust funds. Have effectively stolen the term from the group it actually represents.

I would never refer to myself as just ”libertarian" for instance. Despite aligning pretty closely with the actual ideology. I tend to prefix it as left libertarian. Or if there's a right wing dumbass present, true libertarian. Because they truly are all posers. And it's fun to see their faces contorted.

If you support the libertarian party, you ain't really a libertarian. That's like a vegan eating steak for dinner every night. If you spend all your time whining about the government imposing on your "freedoms". But can't even offer feint criticism of the ultra wealthy and the much more devastating effect they have on society. You're not really a libertarian. But sadly for most people, that's who they associate most with being libertarian.

[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

NO STEP ON SNEK!

[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 12 points 11 months ago

Wage labor is already very totalitarian in principle - they determine what you wear, what you do, when you eat, when you go to the bathroom, basically it's a private government of their own, and people are selling themselves into the servitude.

Libertarianism seeks to go even further with that by removing regulations and letting free market do its thing, which, considering the first sentence of this comment, would make Libertarianism authoritarian if you're not a business owner or someone rich, and the "Don't tread on me" slogan only applies to those people.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Doesn’t the 14th amendment have him barred already? This seems a non issue as it can’t happen.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As far as I am aware, it has never been tested. Clearly he should not be able to run, and clearly neither should Trump, but laws only have meaning if they are enforced.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

[edited:] That's what the Trump cases in MN etc are about. The MN(?) judge punted, though, and declined to say whether he was ineligible for office, saying instead, basically, that the state didn't have any rule against insurrectionists being on primary ballots.

Parties are welcome to nominate someone who might never be allowed to take office - that's a party problem, not a state problem.

[–] newbeni@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The first thing I thought of was the Trump crap, like is this guy just going to be the first one ousted then there is precedence for Trump to be ousted as well?

[–] Additional_Prune@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I listened to him talking on a podcast. Not just satisfied with every conspiracy theory out there, the guy makes up new ones, for example that a mall in Arizona has underground passageways to facilitate the trafficking of children.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

I think authorities really need to be looking into these people that are this obsessed with child trafficking. Like yes, it's awful and we all want to stop it. But the fantasies these people come up with... If anything, it makes it harder for people and organizations that actually do give a shit and put their money where their mouth is.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Dude was in near solitary confinement for 27 months. He's really just another example of how broken the American prison system is, he comes out even more aggressive and deranged than when he went in

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

JFC I used to be a libertarian and I still agree with some of their values, but over the last 20 years they've really just become a joke. Not as much as the GOP, who intentionally associate with Cruz and MTG, but this is getting there.

It's like someone said "it can't be worse than Ted Cruz and Margie..." And the libertarian is all "hold my beer."

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

They've always been a joke. You've just grown up.

Same here.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I used to have a buddy that said, "tell me the difference between an anarchist and a libertarian." When I would ask what or someone would as a what. He would say, "Libertarians are just anarchists in denial."

Despite what you think the values are not entirely far off and both are kind of silly one believes in the government not interfering with your business until that government isn't supporting what they want it to support.

The other says, "I don't want the government interfering with my business or anything at all until someone wants to run the portion the government can't to support what the government wasn't supporting for them."

[–] ChamelAjvalel@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I used to be, too, and still am registered as one (Only to keep myself from being counted as a Democrat or Republican which they love to lump Independents into them), but I've noticed the nonsense between 2008 and 2010 which is about the time the media focused on these pieces of human garbage over all the others.

I really don't see an easy fix, and most of what I've seen in history, it usually gets much much worse before it gets better.

[–] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] bustrouffi@leminal.space 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] diykeyboards@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Mother fuck

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 2 points 11 months ago

Mother mother fuck fuck mother fuck

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (13 children)
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[–] Luft@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Don’t worry, once they find out he’s Vegan, he’ll be unelectable

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Do most U.S. Libertarians not see themselves this way?

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

He's just a twat in a hat

[–] hrimfaxi_work@midwest.social 5 points 11 months ago

I'm a shamanic practitioner irl and this guy's nickname pisses me off. The guy pisses me off, too. His ancestors think he's a cunt, I bet.

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