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Bigger Than Godzilla: Why Are Games Using So Many Gigabytes? (www.techspot.com)

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Saved you a click:

Primarily, texture size has increased, texture count has increased, audio quality has increased, and the amount of audio files in a game has also typically increased.

Its not really a deadlines or optimization problem. Compression always decreases fidelity, and many developers choose to compress as little as possible in order to achieve the highest fidelity. Since RAM and storage capacities have increased, the compromise of compressing everything at a great sacrifice to fidelity is not as obvious of a tradeoff anymore. Developers don't have to choose between voicing an entire game with nearly unintelligible voice compression or only voicing important cutscenes. They can voice the entire game with minimal compression at the cost of a bigger install size, which is free for developers.

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sort of is an optimization problem though because excess textures and audio files could be separated off into their own DLC packages (see Age of Empire II High-Res texture DLC and Steam's Language Selection feature)

The really big problem is people being riddled with 4K textures on 1080p monitors and 20 audio tracks for different languages when they only need one.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I agree with the audio files for languages the player never plays, but 4k textures at a 1080p rendering resolution is not a problem.

Texture map size depends priparily on how the UV maps of models make use of the texture, and how close the camera is to the objects using that texture on average. A large wall texture will have more noticeable detail with a 4k texture than a distant tree in the skybox. The details will be visible on the wall whether the player plays in 720p or 8k, depending on how close the camera gets to it. You may be fine with environments looking like they were made for the Nintendo64's 4kb of texture RAM, but 1080p players still gain massive benefits in graphics quality with 4k textures.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Data compression is not inherently lossy.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And even lossy compression is not inherently bad. AAC is completely indistinguishable from lossless for most people and hardware setups, and very close anyway when it's not. It uses a fraction of the space, though. (Not a comment on game dev practices, more a comment on compression.)

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think I’ve been told that AAC uses just enough CPU to decode that developers don’t want it. Even that assessment could be wrong.

[–] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I feel like the issue could be largely resolved if developers would just make a lot of the downloads optional. For as long as I remember, installers for PC applications have given the user options for which parts of the applications they want to install. Yet for games these days, they just take an all or nothing approach. Let me skip the ultra textures, and all the extra choices in languages I don't need. It seems like it should be such an easy thing to implement!

[–] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No one properly optimizes games anymore. Devs used to have to work with extreme limitations, and make the absolute best of what little they had.

Now with tech advancing quicker than people can keep up with and get accustomed to, and megacorporations like Microsoft prioritizing deadlines rather than overall quality (or the mental health of their developers), that doesn't really happen any more.

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Every complaining gaming article should end with: "...or, just play indie games. Problem solved!'

Why are microtransactions...-

Just play indie games.

Why this horrible bundle deal...-

Just play indie games.

Here's 45 reasons why this game misinterpreted gender issues...-

Just play indie games

This remaster could've just been DLC...-

Just play indie games

Nvidia...-

Just play indie games

[–] Azteh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I get what you are getting at but "misinterpretation of gender" can also happen in indie games and so can micro transactions. They are much more rare but they do still on occasion happen

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is such a weird take. Of course, for the things you mentioned, yes.

But in the case of storage, it's not like the devs purposefully increase the sizes of their game for some reason. If indie devs had the resources to easily make graphics as advanced and voice every little thing in their games, they would, and their games would become as big.

The only reason it doesn't happen is because they literally can't do that with their resources, which are better spent elsewhere. But this is not an inherent advantage of indie games, in fact, it's quite the disadvantage. I'd love if my indie games at least had the possibility of cutting edge graphics and voice for everything.

[–] shani66@lemmy.comfysnug.space 3 points 11 months ago

The textures are so not worth the space. Sounds? Sure, we are still making progress with audio design that can be noticed and enjoyed. Graphics? We are way passed the point where we can meaningfully improve on those without making concessions that just aren't worth it.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I wish not all content was voice acted.

The eight main heroes are receiving an alert about the empire starting its invasion, and the hero’s cousin is leading the charge? That scene deserves good VA. It’s dramatic, plot important, and can get you invested in characters.

A farmer is giving you a radiant quest to kill an optional boss? That kind of thing absolutely doesn’t need VA. It even means that people cycling through content can speed-read his introduction, and aren’t forced to listen to horrendous voice acting.