Movies

No, no, and maybe yes.

There is no Marvel fatigue. There is no superhero saturation. What there is, is simply trash. Make a shit superhero movie and the movie will just be shit. It has nothing to do with there being superheroes.

Hollywood doesn't get it. People don't seem to get it either. But these phases are just repeating itself. It used to be cowboys. It used to be cops. Then pirates. It used to be sword and sandals.

Cowboy movies are fun. So are pirate movies and superhero movies. If they're made well!

The moment some execs look at a bunch of numbers and think "Oh, people will pay money to see X", THAT is when things go wrong. No, people pay to see good movies. And Marvel used to be hype when they made good movies.

Yeah, now all the studios will have is remaking all the movies from 20 years ago.

I remember when they had a big long-arc that was spread intelligently across all of the movies that built up to Endgame. I think they've forgotten this.

It didn't help you need to watch hours of TV shows and X previous movies to have a superhero movie make sense.

I struggle to think of a less likeable main character that wasn't some sort of anti-hero. It takes talent to be that smug and condescending for an entire movie.

I'm a comic fan and I've watched all of them, and will continue. The problem people are having is they're expecting these movies to be like movies instead of comics, but the MCU has been thinking like comics for a long time now. Just like in comics, not every issue is going to be some enormous crossover event with huge stakes and universe-shifting impact. Most comics are character series issues, where the A plot is just some fun excuse for the hero to do cool shit and have a little bit of character growth. Comics are literally soap operas for boys and nerds, and that's what makes them great. The same applies here. Ya'll are attempting to compare X-Factor issue #97 to The Death of Captain Marvel, but those were never comparable things and they were never meant to be. If you go in to these films expecting X-Factor issue #97 instead, you might be able to enjoy these films for the non-serious popcorn media they're meant to be.

Yeah even the filler shit up to endgame was questionable, I just assumed they'd stop making them after that. Now you have a TV show to watch as homework so you can understand the movies.

Do people seriously have the time to waste to just watch superhero shit endlessly? There's only so many ways you can write the same premise.

I don’t go so therefore nobody does

Have you seen what comic fans will consume over very long time periods, good or bad? It’s almost like there are plenty of marvel fans that still watch even if it’s not Oscar worthy

Endgame sucked too. It was just fanservicr with shit Cgi and interchangeable characters quipping.

What I don't really like is people telling me I shouldn't let myself be swayed by critics and should watch it and make up my own mind.

That's stupid. I'm reading the reviews to decide if I wanna watch it or not. I don't wanna spend my money and a couple hours of my life to decide if it was worth it if some people whose judgement I've trusted in the past tell me it's gonna be trash.

I am also a huge Marvel fan and I saw it Thursday night in a packed theater. My opinion is that all the pieces of one of the best Marvel movies are there, and just weren't put together properly. The leads have great chemistry, Iman Vellani is brilliant as always, the main plot point makes for unique and interesting fight scenes, and they let it get goofy in just the right ways (princesses and kittens, that's all I'm saying.)

But the overall pacing of the entire movie is SO bad. It feels so rushed. None of the fun or poignant things that are legitimately good are allowed to hang around on screen long enough to sink in. There are important plot points that move so fast they leave you wondering what just happened. Which is so disappointing. I was really excited that this might be the one that finally got Marvel out of their pandemic-induced production problems. Instead it's just another Marvel movie that I'll only see once.

I have a rule. You get 3 movies of a thing and then I stop paying attention. Marvel, star wars, fast and furious, I don't care, 3 of the "same" story and I'm out.