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late edit: DISCLAIMER: The pictured map is not actually a representation of the territories before colonisation. It's a hypothetical map of what countries there might have been had the continent not been colonised, thus all the names and borders are fictional and have never existed.
For good actual maps, check out native-land.ca.
This map has some really weird boundaries that totally don't match reality. Here's a more accurate map: https://native-land.ca/
That is a well designed map. Kudos to the creator.
It even has a filter for language distribution over geography!
That makes me so happy and sad at the same time.
Also, the Anasazi died out centuries before Europeans arrived.
Bookmarked, this is amazing
unfortunately it doesn't seem to work in firefox
Works for me.
Works fine on mobile Firefox for me
Working fine for me, and on mobile too
Unless I'm remembering middle school wrong, the map seems shy a few hundred tribes.
I also don't recall there being lines
If you see the lines as approximations, I'm fine with it. There were no borders in the sense that nation states have them today of cause.
i mean a trivial solution to this is to just use colours with a soft gradient at the edges, you have a rough outline but it's clear that there is no hard border
Sure. It's a weird concept seeing these ancient people organized with modern standards in a map like this. I'm sure it would have seemed bizarre to them too.
Now show me a map of their power grid. Or wealth inequality. Etc
You want a GDP map of pre-contact America?
But seriously: don't call them ancient. That compares them to the ancient people of the old world which they are not. They have a unique history. Call them pre-contact or pre-colonialism or pre-Columbus or something next time
Don't call them people of the old world. That implies the world is only thousands of years old, which it is not.
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And many more tribes and communities were outright murdered by colonizers before they could even be documented. There are plenty of tribes that are just lost to time or we know nearly nothing about because they have no surviving members.
Indigenous peoples also don't necessarily view tribes, nations, etc as rigid categories where you're either one or the other, no exceptions. That in fact is the European view where you can only be part of one empire and where every empire seeks to capture as much land and resources for themselves as possible. You'll notice that the native-land.ca map has tons of overlapping territories.
I think this map tries to apply European notions of borders and nation states where they don't really apply.
It's also wildly inaccurate as it's a fictional map of an uncolonized America in 2015
Are there any other white North Americans here that grew up in mild reverence of your alleged mixed Native American heritage, and then find out later (through DNA tests or what have you) that there isn't even the slightest trace of native in your bloodline, and all of your relatives (who have Cherokee art in their house and shit) have all been terribly misled by some weird family rumor for decades?
Like, I suppose the silver lining here is that it's probably a good thing to have more white people out there who respect and are sympathetic toward the plight of native genocide, but holy fuck, boys.. It doesn't seem as though anyone in the family has an explanation for it. Every last person just grew up accepting that our Grandmother/Great Grandmother/Family Matriarch was half Cherokee.
It's my understanding that this is a common thing in Appalachia, and while my family is from the Great Lakes, my Great Grandparents fled Kentucky during or shortly after the Harlan County strikes, so I imagine the rumor began all the way back then. Though this rumor only gets weirder for those familiar with the miner strikers when you note my (confirmed) descendency from one of the primary villains of that period, who was most certainly not of Cherokee blood. But who am I to say whether or not he engaged in coitus and/or matrimony with someone believed to have been.
It's conceivable that someone could have been accepted into a tribe and grew up believing themselves to be Native American, but the whole confirmed-descent-from-primary-villain thing really blows that hypothesis out of the water.
My family (Appalachia) swears this one or that one was full Cherokee. My dna shows mostly what you’d expect. English, Irish, and Scottish. I also have 1% Nigerian dna. I figure that’s probably it. Someone was making an excuse for being a bit dark. That doesn’t explain how everyone I know is white as snow and claiming native ancestry though.
My wife shows 3% native ancestry, so her people didn’t make it up.
A lot of dna was lost to genocide though, so some can’t be tested for.
My wife's family is Appalachian (WV) and what I've distilled is that anyone who could tan at all (ie not completely ghostly Scotch-Irish) was told "well that must be indian blood in you!"
And then later they tell their grandkids "Your uncle roy was part-cherokee!"
Then those kids grow up and tell their kids, "Your great uncle Roy's grandma was Tenskwatawa's sister!"
It's all just a bad game of telephone with foggy memories and no real fact-checking.
Similar story here. Both parents born in Eastern KY in early 1900s, primarily Irish ancestory. On my dad's side it's said one of the 5 brothers that came over from Ireland in the early 1800s together married an native American but we're not sure which one. My dad and I have very dark hair and skin - nobody guesses I'm irish - and little facial hair, so we'd just assumed we must be part of that Native American line. 23andMe says otherwise... no Native American, 75% Irish/English, some French and German... nothing else.
Why the heck am I so dark skinned that people asked if I was Mexican as a kid?
Elizabeth Warren
Not to say she gets to claim tribal membership, but her DNA test corroborated her family story. I never understood why she got so much shit for that.
Wait, it actually did? I thought the whole issue was that she "lied" about it to get special treatment in admissions for schooling.
So these asshats going on about "Pocahontas warren" aren't even correct? They're just mocking how DNA transfer happens over generations? That would absolutely be on brand, mock someone for your own ignorance...
Yes, though it didn’t “prove” ancestry to the high standards required for tribal membership, which requires linking one’s ancestry back through specific names using official genealogical records. She is estimated to be 1/32 Cherokee ancestry, exactly in line with her family stories, and the same as the current chief of one of the Cherokee nations. But, to be clear, we should also be respectful of the Cherokee nation’s political sovereignty in determining membership.
That is exactly what happened to me. I didn't find out until I took a 23 and me test. I didn't believe the results, took the Ancestry.com test, got the exact same results. Had some interesting conversations with family after that, but basically, no one is willing to accept it's been a lie the whole time.
Hah, that's wild. My dad has an incredible amount of genealogy research (he's the kind that will go to city halls in bumfuck middle of nowhere) and the instance of Cherokee in our family traces back to late 1800s. I believe it would be my great, great, great grandmother. Her family were survivors of the 1830-1850 genocide (aka the trail of tears), and she was born a while after in Oaklahoma. Her information was recorded because she married a Christian man, under pressure from her parents according to letters found. My grandmother is a member of the tribe in Oaklahoma, for all the good that it does as she never actually did anything with them.
So there's a lot to unpack here but I'll give it a try:
Yes, everyone in my small town in north Georgia made this claim.
It's becoming quite the scandal in Canada, where academics are claiming indigenous heritage to get sweet teaching gigs. Buffy St.Marie is the latest greatest liar.
Well, it was a sign of the times but, if you were kinda tan you had to have a story that explained how you definitely weren't black.
Yes, sort of. Let me tell you my tale.
First, my parents nor grandparents had a significant amount of Cherokee or other American Indian items on display. It's possible my grandparents did but they had tons of knickknacks and if they did have some they weren't a significant portion. So that's a no to one of your questions.
However, I was always told I was 1/16th Cherokee. I don't remember who told me this originally. It was never a big deal, more just like a fun fact that was shared with me. I never really thought anything of it. At some point in college I remember hearing how all white people believe they're 1/16th Cherokee. For context, my mother's family that the ancestry allegedly comes from is from Dahlonega, GA which is sort of the southern most tip of the Appalachian mountains. Well, maybe not the most southern but pretty far down. So the Appalachian part tracks. Also, of course, the Cherokee were from Appalachia so that tracks as well.
So, when my grand parents died we were going through their stuff and we found some paper explaining how we were Cherokee. I don't want to oversell this paper. It wasn't a certificate. It was sharpie written on printer paper. But it was a little family tree showing how my mother and her siblings were 1/8th Cherokee. I want to be totally clear. I don't put faith in this. I don't necessarily even believe it's correct or anything. However, it was fascinating to see that my grandparents actually believed it. Moreso that I didn't make up that I was told this growing up. Does that make sense? Sort of like a reassurance that I wasn't crazy for believing I was told this. I didn't necessarily believe the accuracy of the claim, just that the claim was made.
My best guess is that this ancestor who would be my grand parent's grand parent, may have been partially Cherokee but that was exaggerated. I don't really know.
I viewed being 1/16th Cherokee growing up like I view the results of my DNA test now. Just some interesting information about my heritage but not exactly important. The way I sort of see Irish stuff now, which 23andme said I was. I don't feel some great call to return to my roots, but it's slightly more interesting than it would've been otherwise.
Somewhat similar: I've met at least a dozen people who all claim to somehow be related to al capone most likely because of some rumor started in their family 50 years ago.
People/families like feeling special and unique, a inherited culture is one of the easiest ways to achieve that feeling I guess even if faux.
This map is nonsense and implies rigid European borders. It ignored the hundreds of independent tribes on the continent. Comparing illegal immigration with colonizing is stupid too. Also the map implies native people never conquered each other or colonized others land which to be clear, is not justifying later European colonization, but we shouldn't play into the noble savage trope.
Yes, colonizing is much, much worse than "illegal immigration," which is a term conceived by colonists.
Haida Gwaii is the name of the island, not the nation. And the Salish are coastal. Totally wrong. :/
It is the name of the island. But not Vancouver Island.
Yeah, sorry if I wasn't clear. Haida Gwaii isn't even on the map!
Choctaw nation would like a word
That was one of two that jumped out as absent for me. Seminole was the other.
Why do you have the Aztec Empire extended into the Chihuahua Desert? That's Chichimeca territory. Why are the Tarascans removed from the map?
Why is Haida Gwaii covering half of BC when the island they're from isn't even on the map?
They penciled in "Olmec Kingdom". That's like me going over to a map of Greece and writing Mycenae.
I'm glad they colonizers brought some large bodies of fresh water with them at least.
history civilis had a great breakdown of the politics and organization of the iroquois confederacy. Different ways to govern and balance power.