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[–] EdanGrey@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This won't stop people though, just criminalise them.

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

the goal is to make us all a little bit criminal.

[–] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Ah the vitaminB12 problem, which is far worse than the liver cirrhosis in alcoholics, and you know, lung cancer...

I've never even had a go on Nitrous, but what a bullshit excuse.

[–] AZERTY@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had nitrous when I had my wisdom teeth out, shit was tight.

[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

I was hesitant to buy into the whole nitrous thing when getting dental work done. What's a little discomfort? I can take it. But holy fucking shit does it make a difference for the better. Especially for something like a cleaning; I'm calmer, more relaxed, and even though I can still feel what they are doing in there I just don't care as much. It feels like a zero calorie beer for breakfast. And paired with actual numbing agents during a more involved procedure, it helps them as much as me. It's like a hypnosis drug. I just focus on breathing through my nose and follow their instructions without any stress and the drunken feeling passes before I even leave the chair so I can go on with my day.

Moreover, I can't exactly make whipped cream with carbon dioxide. Are they going to outlaw Guinness in a can with the nitrous widget next?

[–] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I had some teeth out they injected something into my gums to numb it and it was fucking horrible. Next time I went they got the syringe out and I just told them I'd rather feel the pain than go through that again.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Novocaine. But if you're having surgery you definitely want it. It's not exactly pleasant having someone stab you in the gum with a with a needle but it's even less pleasant to have someone pull one of your teeth out with a pair of pliers.

[–] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

I think I was having a tooth drilled for a filling. It hurt but it was definitely bearable.

I preferred going through the pain compared to a needle in the gum and an hour of numb-faced dribbling.

Of course it's preferable sometimes, but I really hate it.

[–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had nitrous one time about 10 years ago. Friends of a friend had one of those devices where you could pinch the container and the gas would flow into a Ballon on the other end.

Just exchanged the air in my lungs with the gas in the Ballon until I kind of passed out for a second, followed by a wave of euphoria and laughter.

Was fun, but not something I would do again, even without the included health risks.

[–] eldoom@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You really shouldn't rebreathe it like that. I've been told that's how you get the brain damage.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You would pass unconscious loooooong before you induce permanent brain damage.

Unless you strap something to your face, that is

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or lock yourself inside a safe with only a snorkel and several whippets.

[–] eldoom@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But the Dolphins!

[–] eldoom@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Oh you know I be getting all Little Shop of Horrors with it.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is B12 the main risk with nitrous?

I suppose the wealthy aren't doing it, so why not tread on those dirty poors a bit harder - it can't be a health issue if we make it a criminal one, eh gents?

[–] sock@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

nitrous inhibits b12 production, so if you use a shitton in one sitting then take a few weeks break youll be fine just supplement b12

but if u use a little bit periodically over a couple days that could start to degrade your nerves permanently due to lack of b12.

but you cant produce less than zero and any nitrous puts you at zero so if youre gonna use it do big one night binges then take a month off and supplement b12 for a bit. in this case its theoretically pretty harmless.

edit b12 coats and protects ur nerves or smth

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought the big risk for nitrous was oxygen deprivation.

[–] sock@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

u could if ur being dumb but u can get the same oxygen deprivation by holding your breath

suffocating to death via nitrous oxide would just be less painful. not that i condone it but that is how suicide pods tend to work kinda

edit: never attach anything to anywhere that air goes into. coz nos makes u pass out sometimes. so ive heard ofc

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 1 year ago

Well that's that solved then. I'll expect to see no more little cylinders left by all the local cream chefs we have around here.

What a good job the Tories are looking out for us with all those extra police needed to enforce the new rules.

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

A new The Journal of Clinical Psychiatry study puts forth an intriguing theory about the use of “laughing gas” to treat people with severe, treatment-resistant depression who experience suicidal thoughts.

https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/the-weekly-mind-reader-laughing-gas-for-suicide-prevention/

[–] Tweak@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ice cream vendors are gonna make mint off this.

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Why can't they make the other flavours?

[–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The dealers and users don't help themselves with discarding the canisters all over the street.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Society doesn't help itself by failing to provide non-street spaces for users.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You mean like the houses where they live?

Nitrous is only ever used by kids who reckon they're in gangs anyway. It's hardly a hardcore drug. They all actually do have some place to go they just prefer to hang around on the streets being annoying.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Nitrous is only ever used by kids who reckon they're in gangs anyway.

Completely false and very presumptuous.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You mean like the houses where they live?

Teenagers usually don't have houses of their own. Usually they live with their parents and don't want to get high around their parents.

They all actually do have some place to go

Where? Where could teenagers take nitrous oxide together and without their parents? As far as I know, society provides no such spaces.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Nitrous oxide, just say no, and do cooler drugs instead.

[–] Tammo-Korsai@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

"Today we are sending a clear signal to young people that there are consequences for misusing drugs. Both users and dealers will face the full force of the law for their actions,"

Criminalising the users has worked so well with other drugs, hasn't it? The war on drugs will be won any second now...

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Under the new rules, those found in unlawful possession of the drug could now face a prison sentence or unlimited fine, with up to 14 years for supply or production.

Toughening the law could have "significant unintended consequences" the Advisory Council on The Misuse of Drugs said, including users not seeking medical help.

One brand, Smartwhip, used legitimately to aerate cream and sauces in restaurants, is being sold surreptitiously to addicts in corner shops.

Intensive, frequent use of laughing gas can lead to vitamin B12 deficiency which can cause neurological damage, scientific studies suggest.

Announcing the ban, Crime and Policing Minister Chris Philp said nitrous oxide abuse was dangerous to people's health.

Drugs Map of Britain - How a local community in Birmingham has been impacted by nitrous oxide, told through the users, the shops that sell it and the activist trying to stop it.


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