Although we’ll be hosting the repository on GitHub
Why aren't they using a self-hosted instance of Gitea? This makes no sense move to Github of all places.
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Could be familiarity? I saw an article go by recently about how projects that aren't on GitHub suffer from lack of contributions. Although that matters more for smaller projects, Mozilla is a beast and could probably pull people off GitHub if it wanted to.
Also if anyone should be trying to build up an alternative to GitHub, it should be Mozilla
If you are at a skill level, where you can meaningfully contribute to a project like this, registering for an alternative git provider should not be an obstacle
Obstacle? No. Annoyance? Yes.
I agree with this in a lot of cases, but I'm not sure about this case - Mozilla won't be accepting PRs over GitHub from what I can tell.
Git desperately needs something like activity pub. That's how it should have been from the beginning
and it was lol. Git was designed to work using email and plain text patches. No nonsense, no closed platforms. You can still use git that way.
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Maybe you can convince Gitea guys to work on that? After all they're the leading open-source alternative.
Lets just say it's coming... soon :)
ForgeJo?
The J is lowercase, -ejo is an Esperanto suffix meaning "place".
Pull people off GitHub? I get the impression from others that contributing to Mozilla projects, particularly Firefox, is a painful experience. But afaik one former Mozilla project uses GitHub for everything: Rust, the programming language.
Agreed. They could've hosted nearly any git forge since they'll keep using bugzilla and other workflows as is.
They already use GitHub for a bunch of other projects. See https://github.com/mozilla/ and https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/
It’s the most widely used platform that the most people are familiar with that they get to use likely for free. Newer projects of theirs are also hosted there. Why would you say it makes no sense?
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Out of all the possible Git choices, they chose one of the worst options. I am very curious about the reasoning for that. Could have been a Mozilla-hosted Gitlab instance, or something else like Gitea
Why do you say GitHub is the worst choice, out of curiosity?
Especially lately, incredibly poor performance, and constant outages. Plus if you're an owner of a private repository, I don't want them to train their asshole AI based on my code, without my knowledge
Would have been amazing if they federated with Forgejo and supported federated git like they're doing with mastodon.
Mozilla being Mozilla, I'd guess. They should have gone sel-hosted with sourcehut, or at least gitlab. Or if not self-hosted, the choice should have been at the least gitlab or better, given it allows to chose DCO over CLA. But perhaps not everyone cares... I remember when gitlab introduced DCO, and how that helped debian and gnome to migrate to gitlab. After allowing DCO, other projects migrated as well.
I'm not that fan of gitlab, and I'd prefer sourcehut for open source projects, but if wanting something closer to github, then gitlab might be the answer. But Mozilla is a corp, maybe they don't care much about these things, and as a corp, perhaps they were looking for CLA sort of contribution any ways...
I also think gitlab hosted by Mozilla Foundation would have been a better solution than github.
Mozilla Corporation is owned by the Mozilla Foundation, so their incentives aren't that of a corporation but a non-profit.
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I wonder if the same is going to be true of Thunderbird. Thunderbird actually requires you use Mercurial to contribute at all, rather than managing both git and Mercurial.
That being said...it's kind of odd to me how swiftly Mozilla of all companies/orgs is to embrace a code forge hosted by Microsoft for their main software. Surreal, even.
I'm amazed people are still using Mercurial. I worked on a few hg projects about a decade ago and it wasn't a very good experience. It was easy for people who used subversion, but if you were even halfway familiar with git you just missed a lot of functionality.
- Although we'll be hosting the repository on GitHub, our contribution workflow will remain unchanged and we will not be accepting Pull Requests at this time
Whyyyyy? Why github?
It’s rather bold of many of the commenters in this thread to assume they know the needs of Mozilla and their developers rather than those people themselves. GitHub makes complete sense, even if it doesn’t live up to some people’s desires for free software purity.
Wtf is wrong with gitlab...
Nothing, it works fine.
Then why didn't Firefox use their power to support a git that's not owned by Microsoft?
I don't know. Because they are not angry with Microsoft anymore and github better fits their workflow?
Dang, I was really hoping that they would stop using bugzilla and switch to something like GitHub/GitLab/Gitea issues instead. Perhaps also put things like feature requests there as well and have one place to contribute to Firefox
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