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[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I knew from reading the headline that Hexbear's horde of mouthbreathers would show up to brigade and spread their propaganda. Sure enough, here we are

Edit: You guys really are just proving my point lmao

[–] Taako_Tuesday@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hexbear users rushing to bombard this comment with image reactions to say they're not brigading

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're exactly correct! Lmao

[–] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I play "count the fallacies" with the comments. So far I've seen: ad homonim; what-about-ism; strawman ; appeal to popularity ; appeal to authority ; hasty generalization / ecological fallacy

I get bored well before I stop counting

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Lol I don't even bother with reading anything they say at all. I just block anyone who's on Hexbear, I must have half the instance blocked. And my experience browsing Lemmy has been so much better for it!

[–] LeateWonceslace@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Hubi@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's not a who, it's an instance: hexbear.net. It's also full of pro-Russia tankies.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Uh… Is there a reason why I’ve never heard of this?

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago

They were not federated before. They did around 9 days ago.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

They only were recently federated, and got defederated from some large instances like lemmy.world for their explicit intent to brigade other instances and communities to spread their "anti-liberal" nonsense.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

Russian troll farms have hit lemmy = lemmy has made it to the social media big leagues now!

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[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I've been interacting with them recently to see what they are all about and lmao I don't think I've ever had a dumber discussion in my life. Truly they are uniquely stupid.

[–] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

My cats have learned the wirr motor sound of the feeder means food. So they'll run from whereever in the house at an motor sound. Suddenly like "it's food time right? Right? But the noise means food...." Regardless of any further context.

Same same but different with hexbear.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


KYIV, Aug 11 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy broadened his battle against graft on Friday, firing all the heads of Ukraine's regional army recruitment centres as the war with Russia enters a critical stage.

Zelenskiy said a state investigation into centres across Ukraine had exposed abuses by officials ranging from illegal enrichment to transporting draft-eligible men across the border despite a wartime ban on them leaving the country.

Ukraine has made cracking down on graft a priority as it fends off Russia's full-scale invasion and seeks membership of the European Union and has fired or prosecuted a string of high-ranking officials implicated in sleaze.

Zelenskiy said that any sacked army recruitment officers who are not being investigated should head to the front to fight for Ukraine "if they want to keep their epaulettes and prove their dignity".

Videos purporting to depict army recruiters aggressively pursuing or becoming violent with would-be draftees have gone viral on social media in the country, which has been under martial law since the invasion.

Zelenskiy said top general Valery Zaluzhny would be responsible for implementing Friday's decision and that new candidates for the posts would first be vetted by Ukraine's domestic security service, the SBU.


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[–] harcesz@szmer.info 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Misses important bit;

"This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery during war is treason," he said, adding that those fired would be replaced by recent veterans and soldiers wounded at the front.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

those fired would be replaced by recent veterans and soldiers wounded at the front

Somehow I'm not sure that they would be the most effective recruiters.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago

They're not trying to sell a bright future like military recruiters in the US. People are forced to do their military service by law and the recruiters are responsible to match the drafted people with the role that fits best.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey it worked for Starship Troopers.

[–] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trust me bro, you'll love the battlefield and definitely not end up injured like me

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

"Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today."

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I beg to differ. The applicants talking to recent vets or wounded soldiers know that these people could be their future. It is important to know all the possible outcomes, including possible PSTD, death, or dismemberment. Having recruiters that are too disconnected from the human war cost is a disservice, in my opinion.

I think I missed my point in there. They would be more effective when those new soldiers are on the frontline fighting, instead of selling a false image of how easy joining would be. That false sell would result in wasted resources training soldiers that wouldn't be as effective. Sometimes it's better to have less people in your unit, when the extra bodies (that were lied to) would cause more wasted time and energy. Time and energy that should be focused on war.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I doesn't matter if the guy serving draft notices was wounded.

I guess some of the lucky conscripts will try to run away and then it might matter.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sort of. But so is letting your country be taken over by orcs. Choose your poison.

[–] ToyDork@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on the grayness of the orcish regime. My point being, if even America couldn't nuke a country and get away with taking no responsibility (they took very little, but my point still stands regardless) then what makes you think Ukraine is going to enslave or kill the "orcs"? Warning, wall of text below.

Tl;dr: The orcs aren't meant to be a metaphor for a race, they're a metaphor for Victorian-era aristechnocratic factory and railway owners (Sauron) and their Pinkerton-style union-busting goons (tree-hating orcs).

Also tl;dr: The elves, on the other hand, are just because Tolkien made them to speak his con-lang pet project of a "High Elvish" language, go figure. Admittedly, my online persona is the main character in all three of my writing projects, so I definitely have no right to complain about putting in the work to make a world for a favored creation to interact with.

Rant begins now, feel free to ignore! If the foe who is about to conquer your country just blew up two cities and they're offering near-equality, then you have "fantasy subversion" orcs or America just before the end of WWII, and I would certainly be relieved (at least with the advantage of hindsight) in that case about allying rather than everyone I care about dying by gun or by A-bomb. If they're hellbent on overthrowing a democracy to ensure their own prosperity, you get orcs ruled as raiding parties who only care about freedom applying to themselves, or America's various nasty CIA operations for the sake of protecting corporations and the power of the wealthiest people in the world, in which case Gondor better call for aid. If the orcs are being led by a charismatic yet clearly evil ruler with an ego the size of a skyscraper tower and a [redacted] small enough for a ring, and the orcs are dumb enough to believe in this monster...

Of course, apply this to any situation or nation as needed, no country is perfect but few modern sovereign states are as close to fubar as North Korea or Somalia, and probably not even them, that the people would - even upon being injured and backed into a corner - disrespect an offer of some level of mercy from a would-be victim who turned the tables.

It would be going too far to do more than help determine a new government to replace the Russian oligarchy, and the fact that Ukraine's military are getting called out by it's government, it's own people and by the global press for drafting people by threat of violence is hopefully a sign that no, the orcs outside AND inside the gates of our communities are just trying to live and no longer believe it when told by the tribal leaders to risk their lives just to destroy someone else's lives.

Refuse? Maybe. Insult? Nobody is going to insult an honest truce put in writing, because the average person - if nothing else - does not approve of a complete stranger with a fancy office looking a gift horse in the mouth while the other hand of the horseman is holding a loaded pistol is in the mouth of the general public. Not that many leaders still have the public in unbroken chains by the point that becomes a "choice" that needs to be made.

I'm not saying war is ever not horrible, only that if black-white or even monochrome morality wasn't relative, the world wouldn't have survived long enough to have democratic ideals to strive toward and never quite reach, socialist interstate highways that fund capitalist organizations (truck stops, auto mechanics, tire manufacturing plants, tow truck companies, etc.), and capitalist organizations that would collapse like everything else if they didn't at least try to help keep humanity from blowing ourselves up or otherwise destroy modern civilization... not that climate crisis is looking avoidable anymore...

The world is a mixed bag and taking over the world is like trying to herd cats because nobody likes being bullied and there's always someone who doesn't enjoy seeing people suffer to disagree with the orcs, or tell the elves to stop being holier than thou ~~and actually get involved in the Atlantic blockades before more people die, Roosevelt~~ ...or (thanks to the internet, may it continue to exist) otherwise call out who the real bad guys are (especially if it's both sides, in which case someone will try to keep track of who committed which war crimes) to the world's third parties. It's not perfect, but war is worse than hell already and being able to restrict it at all, let alone be even remotely potent in doing so, is as much a miracle to, say, 135 years ago (1893, as it's 2023 as of this writing) as blowing up a major city instantly, putting robots on Mars before any human would ever go there, or sending a short message to someone in South Africa, Japan or Colombia with augmented reality iGlasses ("Apple Vision Pro" is just... un-toyetic) from the $150 seat of a commuter jet to the nearest metropolis.

Sorry for the rant, it's more than aggravating as a writer to hear people starting on the orc argument. It's like one person saying "this fictional concept is racist because I need a scapegoat!" and the other saying "But because it's only loosely based on reality, none of the things these characters do actually matter irl even if they're 100% applicable to real life situations!" followed by a bunch of "Nuh-uh!" and "Uh-huh!" noises over what actually amounts to "No, there's no realism to the elf-orc always alignment stupid monochrome morality, but people need a reference for what they might want to strive for and what they should avoid resorting to in pursuit of their goals" because that's what writers aimed for before every single show had to be artificially diverse. If you have to shove it down people's throats, you shouldn't be writing a story because you promised entertainment along with enlightenment.

Don't be like Ayn Rand, Chris-Chan or Adolf Hitler, write a world and write people into it, don't be like this reply and write a goddamn manifesto because unlike on Lemmy, if someone is choosing to read your book then they probably paid you money for it. I say this because I had to learn to try to avoid making anyone in my fictional stories, even and especially my author surrogate character, subject to the same world as everyone else in the story and for that world to be fun or interesting before it is a morality tale or political drama.

If you didn't like reading all this, please do better than the bare minimum when you sell a luxury good you produced. "Made by an independent artist", myself and my work included, does not automatically equal "Made by an experienced artist".