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[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Batman oppresses crime and everybody thinks he’s cool, I don’t see why oppressing fascists should be any different

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Batman is a billionaire vigilante that destroys half of Gotham every few days. What are you talking about. He would be the first to go full fascist.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Batman being fascist really depends on whos writing him. In some comics he is a control freak fascist. In some he is barely keeping it together and is just as crazy as those in Arkham asylum. In others he is the shield against the madness of Arkham. In others he is fighting again authoritarian Superman. And in others still he is painting Robin and himself yellow and beating the shit out of Green lantern for some fucking reason.

I don't know what my point is beyond Batman can very a lot.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] FedFer@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Any superhero can go full fascist if we think about it. That's literally the theme of the injustice saga! Superman, the sweetest and most kind of heroes, created a world government ruled only by those who he deemed worthy and started killing anyone "bad". Any superhero, if mentally challenged enough (for context Superman just had his pregnant wife killed and his city destroyed), can do pretty much that. (That's also where Batman's contingency plans come in)

[–] Stoneykins@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

No, you don't understand, batman is rich so he is allowed to use violence.

[–] bl_r@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Being tolerant to intolerance leads to more intolerance. Being intolerant to intolerance does not lead to more intolerance.

It is not just OK, but necessary to be intolerant towards fascist ideologies.

"Sorry, I just dont believe your fascist ideologyjshould be exposed to kids, why do you want to groom them?"

Would using their arguments against them make them angry? I hope so

[–] ventrix@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

For those interested on further reading, the paradox of tolerance: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[–] Foresight@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marxism-leninism isn't fascist though

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's the same bullshit under a different flag. the shit that happened in the eastern bloc was just as oppressive and authoritarian, the simple fact that it's politically considered "left" and not "right" doesn't make it any better.

and the worst part about this world view is that it tends to divide the world into two groups of authies that are the same group that larp against each other, and a bunch of indecisive schmucks in the middle who are weak for not "fully embracing" their "side" and joining one of the two groups. while what's really happening is that those schmucks are just capable of empathy unlike the tankies or nazis who insist they don't totally do the same shit as each other.

[–] Foresight@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No the Nazis did not do central economic planning and the USSR did not believe the strong should rule the weak nor did they believe in creating a "master race" by exterminating the perceived other and before you say much GuLaGs a Gulag is a prison in which you serve time by working, similar to private prisons in the US however it wasn't done on the basis of exchange value but labour time.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i'm hungarian. you don't have to explain to me how the soviets operated, it deeply permeates our culture.

central economic planning and master races are not what this is about. we're talking about oppression, and lots of politically left ideologies did that a lot. the book 1984 was so scary not because it's an exploration of an oppressive society, but because the particular flavor of that oppression matches the soviet ideology so well that up until the collapse of the USSR it was a very real possibility that its world would come true.

add to that that most modern-day tankies care a lot less about central planning, all they really want to do is dunk on the west, and end up propping up russia and china in the process, with all their hateful baggage.

[–] Foresight@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Central economic planning is what socialism is about to solve the crisis of over production doing away with the profit motive.