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German Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck on Israel and Antisemitism (nitter.net)

submitted 1 year ago by Xenon@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.de

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[–] zipfelwurster@feddit.de 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If anyone else comes here - go watch the posted video but stay away from this comment section.

I have absolutely no idea how such a level-headed and well-put-together speech appealing at human decency and respect towards each other devolved into such a vile comment section.

I assume most of the commenters either didn't watch the video or purposefully ignored its content to instead incite more hate.

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Habeck did not confirm their biases.

[–] SitD@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

commenters be biased and brownpilled 😎

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

what is wrong with brown pilled :( Isn't silent quitting the sane thing to do?

[–] albert180@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Please report any comments you deem unacceptable. Its not possible to screen anything proactively

[–] devprc@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

Very good and level headed comment, rightfully met with wide acclaim across the political landscape in Germany.

[–] albert180@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Comments are disabled until I've got time to moderate them. It's normal to have strong feelings about the current situation. But you need to stay in scope of the Server Rules, it's also unacceptable to deny the right of Existence in Israel, post antisemitic and/or racist stuff. In Germany it's also a criminal offence to endorse or approve criminal offenses

[+] yojimbo@sopuli.xyz -13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

~~This could have been expressed in a single sentence: The fact that Israel is punishing all citizens of Ghaza for Hamas attacks does not mean that Germans should act the same towards the Jews (but we don't mind if you do towards Iranians and such). Tragic.~~

[–] zipfelwurster@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is objectively false.

Habeck says in the video that he has seen a terrifying growth in antisemitism in Germany where members of the Jewish faith are scared to leave the house on their own or publicly display religious symbols due to open hostility. He talks about a responsibility of Germans due to the central role in the holocaust but also how the Islamic world has not distanced itself enough from the atrocities committed by the hamas. He even remarked that one doesn't have to agree with some of Israel's politics - even explicitly naming the settlements in the Gaza / West Bank region - but that this should not be any excuse for antisemitism.

I will say again what I said in another comment - The video is an appeal to human decency and respect. Shame on you for willfully and stubbornly ignoring that and derailing the conversation to incite further hate.

[–] yojimbo@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yes, life in Gaza is life in poverty without prospects for the future. Yes, the settler movement in the West Bank is fomenting discord and robs the Palestinians of hope and rights and, increasingly, lives. And the suffering of the civilian population now at war is a fact, a terrible fact.

You are right and I am wrong I haven't read the whole video. I am ashamed. Insert whichever invective you like - I have few. There is no excuse.

[–] zipfelwurster@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I respect you for admitting you were wrong. That takes courage.

Also maybe it wasn't smart leaving that part out of my reply.

[–] S_204@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for acknowledging your mistakes. We should all learn from this post.

[–] quarry_coerce248@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 year ago

I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know if he said more than what you write.

What you describe is that he asks of Muslims everywhere to identify with Hamas and then to distance themselves from them. Does he address growing anti-muslim racism? Because from what you write it indeed sounds as if he appeals to human decency towards one side while ignoring the other.

No one except antisemites blames Jews for what Israel does, but on the other hand the Islamic world is blamed for Hamas terror and asked to distance themselves from it. Those are double standards.

[+] jet@hackertalks.com -18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isreals security is Germany's obligation - fair enough.

What is Germany's obligation to the people of Palestine?

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't exist.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

one would think that murdering 50 million people of which 6 million were jews would lead to a more general responsibility to protect human lifes and international rule of law.

EDIT: It is truly amazing that human rights and international law get downvoted, when it is in the context of Israel. We are back on the way to barbarism i guess.

[–] Knusper@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, personal political opinion as a German, is that it does and that we should obviously be opposed to the killing of any innocent person, but

there's multiple conflicts going on on this planet. We won't be able to solve all of them.
we also have an obligation to use our military defensively, not build up a massive army that can start WW3.
not everyone here holds the same opinion. This may come as a surprise, but there's nazis in Germany. Nazis that pay taxes and vote in our democracy.
There's also people who are younger than 80 years old. They may understand this obligation on a theoretical level, but when push comes to shove, they cannot possibly feel a personal obligation.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

there’s multiple conflicts going on on this planet. We won’t be able to solve all of them.

But in those where we are involved we should take care of human life without being partisan. And most certainly not send weapons to actors comitting war crimes. This of course is not limited to Israel. Germany kept sending weapons to Saudi Arabia to commit terrible atrocities in Jemen. Heck Germany exported chemical plants and chemicals for the production of nerve gas to Saddam Hussein, whcih he subsequently used to murder Kurdish people in what remains the most devastating use of nerve gas since WW1.

[–] branchial@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

✋ International law

👉 Rules-based international order

[–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

And not blindly support a criminal state like Israel.

The average German is really unable to critize jews or Israel. They just follow blindly because that's how you get in less trouble.

It's sad, state media here is 95% pro Israel and 5% articles that acknowledge the humanitarian crisis, but never seem to grasp that it's Israel that is throwing 18000 bombs into an apartheid Ghetto.