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“Study of the moon is not the goal,” said Vitaly Egorov, a popular Russian space analyst. “The goal is political competition between two superpowers — China and the USA — and a number of other countries which also want to claim the title of space superpower.”

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[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't question Russian science or engineering, but is this project going to run into the same sorts of issues their war has?

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Considering levels of corruption in the last few years and hard brain drain I guess Russian space exploration is doomed. Thanks, Putin!

[–] masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Foe years America used Russian rockets to get things into space.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

~~Russian~~ Soviet

[–] aeronmelon@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

"Russian components, American components... ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!"

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

People, not things. America didn't have man-rated rockets between 2012 and 2020.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No Russia beat the us in almost every metric for space flight, we got to the moon first and that's all anyone remembers.

They're a lot of things but their space program is pretty boss.

You can downvote but it will still be just at true.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And in the end its all German tech they stole...

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

America and our German scientists, and Russia and their German scientists...

Let's not act like operation paperclip wasn't a rat race for both.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They didn't steal German tech, Germany caused two worlds wars and war prizes were taken including technology and scientists.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Setting aside the fact that looting a country you beat in a war is still very much stealing, Germany didn't cause the great war and if you understood an iota of history you'd realize that. Did they use it to advance their own causes and take land/resources? Yeah. Pretty much the standard MO for every country that's ever been in a war, though. Weird to single them out for their actions in WW1 in that regard.

Germany caused two worlds war

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[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can downvote but it will still be just at true.

No, it isn't. Space Shuttle for one thing, many Telescopes, Sat's...and so on. Russia hasn't done shit. Even the ISS Modules from Russia are crap and the ones that make the most problems.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The space shuttle was 30 years after the space race homie. Also incorrect, NASA itself disagrees that it was Russia alone at fault.

[–] mawkishdave@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Um, I didn't know there were washing machines on the moon.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hm, not sure what this reminds me of

[–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’d rather a space race over an arms race

But sadly we’d probably just end up with both regardless.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A space race is an arms race with people on the missile.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We feared them, because they put up Sputnik, which, by the way, people forget was an emptied out casing of an intercontinental ballistic missile. And, Sputnik itself means "Fellow Traveler", so it's all peaceful, but it was a ballistic missile head, without explosives. So that was a signal, and we freaked in America. So NASA got founded, on the fear factor of Sputnik.

Alright, so we then go to the moon on the fear factor that Russia will control the high ground. Then we go to the moon, space enthusiasts say, "Oh, we're on the moon by '69, we'll be on Mars in another 10 years." They completely did not understand why we got to the moon in the first place. We were at war, once we saw that Russia was not ready to land on the moon, we stopped going to the moon. That should not surprise anybody looking back on it.

Neil deGrasse Tyson

The best race

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Putin just needs more points to legitimize next year's "elections": The space exploration is reborn!