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  • Senior Hamas official Ali Barakeh says the group did not anticipate the scale of U.S. involvement in support of Israel.
  • The U.S. moved a carrier strike group closer to Israel and considered sending a second aircraft carrier, fighter jets, and munitions.
  • U.S. Lt.-Gen. James Glynn was sent to help Israel plan its ground offensive into Gaza.
  • Iran-backed militias have targeted U.S. forces in the region in response to U.S. support for Israel.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

Well, that was pretty fucking stupid.

Pretty on-brand for Hamas though.

[–] Taian@sh.itjust.works 29 points 10 months ago

The attacks were idiotic at their core, what would anyone expect more than idiotic plans and expectations?

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh you don't want to see what "involved" looks like

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

Fresh out of Afghanistan and looking for love.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago

Like all terrorists, Hamas are evil and also morons.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When all these articles say that we “moved an aircraft carrier closer” they’re not saying that we are using the aircraft to conduct air strike operations on behalf of Israel.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

It's also a sign to everyone in the region to not think about getting involved or you might end up being targeted. Hamas was likely hoping for continued support from Iran and others, but the US presence makes that much more difficult.

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Fucking geniuses these extremist zealots. It's like a requirement for these Jihad terrorists groups that you need to be missing half your brain capacity to join the club.

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately the school textbooks teach and encourage it. It's at the demands of the existing zealots with guns, but it's a problem that only gets worse.

[–] arymandias@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago

The Gaza invasion will be very dirty urban combat, and urban combat always involves heavy losses on both sides. I highly doubt the US is willing to send men to their deaths for this cause so I’m sceptical to what extent the US will be able to help. And as Palestine doesn’t have an air force or navy I don’t suspect Israel needs help on those fronts.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Speaking from his office in Beirut, senior Hamas political leadership member Ali Barakeh told the UK news outlet that they "didn't expect this much of a response" from the US.

These statements come after Washington diverted many of its forces to the area amid Israel's launching of Operation Swords of Iron, the latest war with Hamas.

On October 8, just a day after the war began, US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced that America would move a carrier strike group, featuring the world's largest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, closer to Israel.

Days later, it mulled sending a second aircraft carrier to the area, as well as fighter jets being added to the region and munitions being sent to the IDF.

Later in the month, the US sent Lt.-Gen. James Glynn, a three-star Marine general, and other military officers to help Israel plan its ground offensive into the Gaza Strip.

In addition, US forces in the region have been under fire in recent weeks from Iran-backed militia.


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[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

That’s the danger of a religious extremist movement. Their plans are based around their beliefs and fail to account for reality.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So lets put it all in perspective. Some established facts first:

  • Russia is pretty open with it's declaration of love to HAMAS
  • Iran really wants to "give it" to US
  • Russia is sanctioned and desperate in it's war with Ukraine, hoping biggest weapon supplier would stop supplying weapons
  • Russia is best buddies with Iran
  • Iran wants nukes
  • Russia used to be buddies with Israel (esp. military-wise, which was cited as one of the reasons no military assistance to Ukraine came from Israel)
  • Israel has it's internal political problems.
  • all the nations that now so keenly support Palestine and violence towards Israel never sent any significant investments or humanitarian aid to Palestine to beat Israel economically
  • Israel was behaving as an a-hole towards Palestine for quite some time
  • HAMAS has not moved Israel-Palestine relationship an inch and needs to show some activity

So, to me all of the above kind of adds up to: Palestine was used by everybody else to achieve goals absolutely unrelated to Palestine survival or prosperity.

If I were to make up a conspiracy theory, I'd say: Russia needed diversion real bad, they talked to their Iran buddies to stir dhit up in Gaza. Mossad snifs it out and does.. nothing, opening door to unspeakable acts that followed, but also giving a pretext for "outrage" and rallying the nation against existential threat. Arab world leaders quickly jump on a familiar train of antisrmitism boosting their ratings locally and doing diddly squat to help Palestine (I mean help, not entrench them further in conflict)

In sum: both sides were comfortable sacrificing their own people (without people's consent) to achieve political goals.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just came across HAMAS leader openly enumerating benefactors: https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-abroad-khaled-mashal-russia-october-seven-chine-taiwan

"For your information, Russia has benefitted from our [attack], because we distracted the U.S. from them and from Ukraine. China saw [our attack] as a dazzling example. The Russians told us that what happened on October 7 would be taught in military academies. The Chinese are thinking of carrying out a plan in Taiwan, doing what the Al-Qassam Brigades did on October 7. The Arabs are giving the world a master class."

[–] Squid@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago

At this point they realized they fucked up

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't expect a response either after israel went AFK open mid on 7 October.