Protestation : communism

[–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Yap, it did, and the same goes for almost all the tech nowadays. Although, by that I mean ideological bullshit more than anything: crapple, for example, locks you in their fancy walled garden where you're not allowed to even fart in the wrong way; then more globally we have hardware with no schematics available, firmware that verifies that nobody dared to replace broken parts, etc. Heck, as much as I dislike most of the stuff about Soviet Union I adore their tech which (although often ripped off of western models) came with schematics out of the box.

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[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Capitalism making iPhones just makes me hate capitalism more

[+] Fleur__@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How you get downvotes over capitalism 101 facts in c/communism 🤡

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think they used the clown makeup meme wrong. The statements are supposed to get more ridiculous and indefensible as the clown puts on more makeup. As if to say, "you're a clown if you believe this."

[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The statements do get more ridiculous though

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago

Not if it's making fun of capitalism.

[–] Miczech@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago

I view this as a case of communism failing to protect its workers and capitalists squeezing the last dime towards corporate earnings. Apart from the shareholders it's a loss loss for everyone else.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago

And yet, none of that happens without the capitalists. Curious. Is the world perhaps complicated, or is everyone stupid except me?

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago

I guess when you think of it that way, CEOs are Workers too. Thanks!

[–] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Funny how I still haven't gotten a good example of a communist government. It's almost as if you guys have no idea what you're talking about 🤔

All I'm asking is for literally one example. Just one. Of a current, successful communist government. I'll wait 🤣😂

[–] Val@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You could say the same for democratic governments before French revolution.

[–] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Funny, I can point to at least 50 Democratic and capitalist countries that run just fine and are in the top 10 best countries to live in on the earth. But you can't name just one viable country run by a communist government?

Funny how that works 😂🤔

[–] Val@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I said before the French revolution.

Also I doubt they are going to be "the best" after climate change (which is caused by those countries) causes them to collapse.

[–] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why is it so hard to name one successful, current communist country?

Forget about your French revolution nonsense 😂

[–] Val@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because human progress is about making things that do not exist. Saying that something doesn't exist currently does not mean it cannot exist.

Before the french revolution there were no democratic countries. back then you could say "Name one democratic country. Oh you can't? Guess democracy doesn't work." and it would be just as valid as your claim now.

[–] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fair point but communism hasn't been effectively implemented because it's being purposely stifled, it's because it's a crap system.

I guess if you take the best aspects of communism and ignore the history of how shitty it is then maybe you can theoretically imagine a successful version of it. But I don't need to hypothesize such a scenario. There's plenty of data and historical facts that completely prove my point

[–] Val@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Humanity has progressed a lot in even the last 20 years. Using historical facts to prove something doesn't work is not effective under these circumstances.

Also communism (in the classical sense) doesn't really have a practical history, as no country on the planet has purposefully reached it.

The soviet union or china were never communist. They were both horrific state capitalist dictatorships.

And capitalism is also crap. For example look at the impending climate catastrophe.

[–] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll never say capitalism is perfect but it's a system that works - and at its best, it works remarkably well. I hear this argument a lot that communism hasn't implemented the way it should be. Has there ever been a government that came close to what you would consider "almost good enough" communism?

[–] Val@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Communism is by definition a stateless, moneyless, classless society. If any of these exist it is not communism. There is no "almost good enough". You can't have almost classless. If you have classes you aren't classless, and in a single party system the party members are a class.

I put it to you that capitalism doesn't work. It is an inherently corrupt system that will inevitably end in the destruction of everything. Capitalism is unsustainable. Built on the myth of perpetual growth and willing to kill everything on this planet to achieve that. Given a long enough time-frame all wealth and decision making capabilities under a capitalism will be consolidated in the hands of a couple of rich companies that will only care about economic growth. Damn the consequences.

/sidenote. I am not actually a communist but an Anarchist. I oppose all unjust hierarchies. Money, state and class just happen to all fit under this definition and because of that I also support communism.

[–] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Most economic systems are inherently morally neutral. They're just tools with no sentience - so I don't understand how you can say capitalism is inherently corrupt when you literally said communism hasn't been implemented properly in any country or state. It seems to me like communism is more flawed if it can be exploited more easily.

Please don't say you're an anarchist or I'll have even less respect for you. 😂

Seriously, though, I used to be a pretty radical socialist until I did some real research (not trying to insult you, I mean that I looked at my beliefs through a very critical lens and my ideologies didn't stand up to real scrutiny) and soul searching to end up leaning closer to what you would call a soc-dem.

I genuinely believe that you communists and anarchists want better living standards for every human on earth. But I think you guys have been lied to about the evils of capitalism and how good the system can truly be. And I concede that the extreme disparities between the rich and poor in a capitalist system are pretty fucking gross.

[–] Val@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

so as I was trying to answer this I came across this little part. Here is a list of a couple of anarchist (and therefor communist) societies.

None of these lasted for very long because they were quickly either subverted or destroyed by statists. This, for me, is not a flaw of anarchism (or communism) as a concept and instead happened because the movement did not reach critical mass. Not enough people believed in the system for it to work.

Also note under the Russian revolution chapter the """communists""" were the enemy, as they were the ones that destroyed the systems that were actually communists in order to create their state capitalist state,

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full#text-amuse-label-seca5 A.5 What are some examples of “Anarchy in Action”?
A.5.1 The Paris Commune
A.5.2 The Haymarket Martyrs
A.5.3 Building the Syndicalist Unions
A.5.4 Anarchists in the Russian Revolution
A.5.5 Anarchists in the Italian Factory Occupations
A.5.6 Anarchism and the Spanish Revolution
A.5.7 The May-June Revolt in France, 1968

But I still insist that even if these examples weren't there it proves nothing about the potential of the system. Progress is making things that do not exist. The statement that something doesn't exist is not proof that it can't.

Also if you look at my post history I have done a lot of reflecting on why I believe in anarchism and nothing has made me doubt that it is possible. The only thing stopping it is the greed of people, and as we are seeing what that causes I am hoping that too gets fixed.

Also I absolutely support any form of government you want to create as long as you allow me to live in my commune. In that sense I am a federalist. I believe that on a macro scale humanity works best if different societies can all coexist together, so everyone can find their place. I actually see it as macro-anarchism, the same fundamental beliefs that govern an anarchist society implemented on all of humanity.