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alt texttweet by Johann Hari: The core of addiction is not wanting to be present in life, because pour life is too painful a place to be. This is why imposing more pain or punishment on a person with an addiction problem actually makes their addiction worse.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago

Yup. It's escapism. Anything to not have to be myself, even if for just a very short while.

[–] evanuggetpi@lemmy.nz 48 points 11 months ago (18 children)

I don't agree with decriminalisation. Only full legalization makes sense. Treat addiction as a health issue instead of a justice issue. It's amazing that we're still stuck with the legacy of Nixon era policies, with 50 years of data to say the war on drugs cannot ever be won through prohibition.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay but can we start with decriminalization?

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

Honestly, decriminalization is possibly worse a drug war (if only barely). Where legalization creates a regulated environment with research and controls, decriminalization increases the use by individuals without giving a legal way to acquire - which just empowers organized crime to get bigger and sell more.

Pot is a weird magical exception because a lot of individuals started growing for their friends and family. But that wouldn't happen with actual hard drugs.

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[–] zammy95@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't think you need legalization to make the decisions necessary to help the health issue, I think you could work that sort of help in with decriminalization as well. However, people will still be using less than safe practices to get said substances without legalization as well, so I do agree it would be the overall better arrangement.

But I do agree with the other commenter, starting with decriminalization is at least a step in the right direction.

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

During the Covid lockdown, when there was nothing better to do, I was watching a court proceeding where a judge was really struggling with this while sentencing a person for possession.

He felt like his hands were tied, and he was essentially forced to sentence a drug user to jail, which doesn't normally work, but he had already tried all of the other remedies allowed to him. And he basically said, "I've seen a few cases where people get clean in jail because they can't get the drugs. I hope this happens for you." The sentence was like a month or two.

[–] lyth@sh.itjust.works 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)

PSA that, while having said profound things about loneliness and addiction as of late, Johann Hari has a long history of plagiarism and making stuff up, and once really strongly implied in a TED Talk that if you have good social support then it can just vanish your opiate withdrawal symptoms

@5:00 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PY9DcIMGxMs generally just web search this guy

[–] Dontfearthereaper123@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

Vietnam soldiers who were addicted to heroin were able to stop when they came back because it was a different environment. Addiction is usually caused by circumstancely factors rather than actual chemical imbalances that cause them to seek heroin. Like depression would be the root causing heroin addiction not heroin addiction being the root. This means that when those other things are solved the addiction can usually solve itself so I'd say in a lot of cases a good support system could definitely go a long way to solving an addiction. Albeit I don't agree w her other points

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

people wouldn't have to steal to feed their habit or overdose on laced shit if you could simply buy a portion over the counter barrier free and fairly priced

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (25 children)

Also, they wouldn't be financing drug criminals and terrorists, but would actually be supporting legitimate small business and pay taxes.

Legalization, regulation, harm reduction. That's the way.

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[–] wintermutehal@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So much of overdose etc is not having a regulated dose! Not to mention, I bought coke and it was fentanyl instead. Should have known to test, but learned the hardest lesson.

It’s the one time things don’t go right that you don’t make it back

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I would hope that decent, mental health treatment would be the first option until drugs are decriminalized. You wouldn't need drugs if people weren't self-medicating.

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[–] DrQuint@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If appealing to empathy worked for convincing the rich and lawmakers into helping the poor and miserable, there wouldn't be (...as many) poor and miserable.

They're too busy, uhmmm *checks notes* fighting abortion or some insanely and inherently evil shit like that

[–] RVMWSN@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (21 children)

Besides those addicted, there are a ton of people who just enjoy drugs, don't suffer any problems from it, and don't do anyone any harm.

[–] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You never hear about those who know how to properly use drugs because they blend in with non drug users. Nit that there are many of those as caffeine is one of the most used drugs anyway.

I smoke weed sometimes. I haven't smoked in almost two years and was given some for free and two nuggets will last me a month because I make a bowl last several days. I use it to sleep or enjoy good more. If I don't have any I don't think about it.

[–] stringere@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago

I too enjoy good more, with or without weed.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago

As I've always said, stay in drugs, don't do school and always, always listen to your grandparents!

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Isn't there also a chemical element to it that makes trying to get a heroin-addict to go cold turkey kinda like shaming a diabetic for using insulin?

[–] i_see_stupid_people@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

Yes. The withdrawal symptoms are real and physical.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have a nerve disorder and the original neurologist kept trying different opiates on me (they didn't work). I never got mentally addicted, but there must have been some physical addiction because I definitely had withdrawal symptoms when I switched to another type of medication and it was not a pleasant few days. I can't imagine what it must be like for people with serious heroin or fentanyl addictions.

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

"I eat because I'm unhappy. I'm unhappy because I eat." - fat bastard from Austin powers.

Also me.

[–] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This is anecdotal, but I think it's a good qualitative example. When I was marginally employed I was routinely drinking, smoking, and getting high. Well as routinely as I could afford. Even when I was homeless, first thing I did when I scored $40 for a day's work was go and buy a tallboy and a pack of cigarettes.

Fast forward, and now I have a fancy WFH job with good bennies and a future, and I no longer drink, smoke, or do drugs. Part of that is age, but it's not like I didn't want to quit those things. It's just that it got easier when life got more relaxing, and I could just chill out rather than try to escape.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's not necessarily your life, but your mind. You could be living in objectively sweet circumstances, but coping with past traumas via addiction. The problem is that by trying to hide from your problems, they just get worse and bigger, which turns into a self-reinforcing cycle of addiction. Breaking that cycle takes an extreme amount of courage and sustained determination.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Just gotta keep feeling the pain, even though you’ve got the means to end it right there. You have to be willing and able to deal with whatever it is that makes you recoil and reach for the pipe whenever it enters your mind.

I’ve had a few days where I decided to stay sober and I just spend hours and hours thinking about all the mistakes I’ve made and how I can’t unmake them and how twisted up my social responses are and then there’s calculation about whether to kill myself and I’m like “fuck this” and grab the pipe, and then I just feel comfortable, and play some video games, and fuck around on reddit, and eat a huge amount of food to make me pass out.

At work it’s not so bad because Im always busy but at home it’s either high or hell of my own making.

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[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Author of this tweet (I dunno maybe it is copypasta) is a trip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hari

Example: Hari is gay. He wrote an article claiming he had sex with men who were members of homophobic far-right and Islamist groups, stating that with drugs and "a lot of flattery" he "coaxed" a nineteen year old Muslim into "wild gay sex.

[–] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So he admitted to raping a probably-closeted gay man?

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gloomy@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Here is what he wrote. Judge for yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/dec/13/gayrights.thefarright?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Now, I doubt that many of these blokes were shagging each other, not least because, for religious reasons, none of them drink, so it was hard to lower their inhibitions. But after a long smoke and a lot of flattery, Mo was fairly easily coaxed. Of course, he seemed a bit hung-up about it afterwards. Since I was nearing the end of my undercover gig, I tried to persuade him that perhaps gay people weren't evil, especially in light of the fact that he had just been having wild gay sex.

Slam-cut to LA and Russ. He was a harder nut to crack, but at least he could (and did) drink an awful lot of vodka. I'll spare you the details: suffice it to say that Germany did successfully invade Poland. So what's the moral of this tale? Part of me wants to trumpet it as a victory for gay rights. Even in the most intense centres of homophobia and gay-bashing, you can still find the odd bit of sodomy. We are, quite literally, everywhere, including (literally) inside homophobes. Part of me is a bit ashamed - in the cold light of day, both Russ and Mo have some pretty repulsive views. But there's something uniquely rewarding about bagging a homophobe. In fact, I reckon that this should be the new path for the gay rights movement. Every gay reader of the Guardian should henceforth dedicate himself to seducing every gay-basher they can find. Our response to hatred shouldn't be to hate back; it should be to give them a jolly good seeing-to.

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[–] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

One of the best books I've read on drugs is by him. If you read Chasing the Scream you'll truly understand this post.

[–] Elwynn@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I'd agree but feel the need to highlight a difference between chemical addiction and addiction for the sake of escapism. Though both can absolutely be present at the same time. I am neither a psychologist or neurologist, but have some experience. I've largely dealt with addiction in the forms of self harm, as well as an addiction to sugar.

Self harm absolutely was about escapism. And the addiction was not chemical other than the brain creating a need for it in order to soothe negative thoughts and feelings (anxiety, trauma, stress, sadness etc...).

Sugar on the other hand was a mix of escapism and chemical addiction. When I felt worse I naturally craved more sugar. But even when I felt glad or elated I would still crave it.

I can't speak on addiction to drugs like heroin, opiates, cocaine, among others. But in my experience of addiction to self harm and sugar. Punishment would only end up deepening the addiction as I sought to escape the punishment through addiction as well. Even if that punishment was self-inflicted.

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[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

war on drugs is a jobs program for prison employees with minimal education requirements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4L20t8Dvlg

[–] zazaserty@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Or, hear me out, help those consuming them get out of that addiction and crush those who prey on them by selling drugs. They are the actual evil ones here.

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[–] pascal@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I get the sentiment, then after thinking about it 10 seconds, I thought "hold on, what about all the CEOs that snort cocaine on top of naked women? Is their life painful, too?"

[–] Syakaizin@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

Because they aren't addicted? They're mostly social/opportunistic users of recreational drugs

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

At the risk of controversy-- and spoken as a ten year addict now clean for 25 years... I did not feel the motivation to get clean until I was made to fear the consequences of my own vile self centeredness, selfishness, and pain I was causing others and others in my own life. The stern judicial system played a strong role in helping me wake up.

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