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In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by leinardi@lemmy.world to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.world

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ProtonDB doesn't have any report yet but YouTube is full of videos of content creators that got early access to the game. I was curious to know if anyone tried it with Proton and how it works...

EDIT I just installed it and it seems to work out-of-the-box for me on Ubuntu 23.10 with a AMD 7900 XTX and AMD 5800X. I'm getting around 55 fps at 3440x1440 with almost everything high beside having disabled V-Sync, DoF and Motion blur. AA set to TAA 2x.

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[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 21 points 1 year ago

I don't know of any report, but just like the first one it's still using Unity, so I wouldn't worry from a compatibility perspective.
That said, the performance is apparently pretty bad, so if you care about that the experience will probably be awful on any OS.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Be the first to let everyone know. I don't expect it to not run, but given everything else at the moment, I don't expect it to run well yet

[–] leinardi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

done: https://lemmy.world/comment/4778350

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's excellent to hear. We have a very similar config. The only difference is NY slightly older gpu

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Proton is good enough that I'm extremely confident that games will "just work" even if it's a fresh release. If it for some reason doesn't, refunding is free and easy. Though it sounds like it's an unoptimized mess regardless lol.

[+] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca -9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Typically it's only "good enough" because the community has rallied and written the scripts to tailor the wine prefix for that specific game's peculiarities.
A demo would probably do it, or an advance copy, or a leak. But it might not "just work" from 12:01 after the midnight release.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Uh when is the last time you used proton? That's not even slightly true. I just beat Baldur's Gate 3, it "just work", zero issues from proton's side of things. I play Genshin Impact too, which works with zero configuration or anything. Even the anti cheat they made compatible with it.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you read the Proton patch notes? People work hard to make that work.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, but generally it's not "the community" like how mods work, it's a project run by Valve who controls the review and release process. Sometimes patches come from "the community," and sometimes they come from paid developers, but they all go through Valve.

You can choose to use a community Proton build like GloriousEggroll's builds, but them that's something more like a mod than a patch to an official project.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can attest to this. I don't play the absolute newest games, but I can't think of a single title that did not work with Proton-GE, without any tinkering past like... early 2022. It has been very smooth, no matter the kind of game. Of course, minus the known offenders like Destiny 2 or R6 Siege

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Every other game I play needs some special command line argument.
Baldur's Gate, for example, but that was the other comment that used that as their example.

[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

You're confusing Proton with community efforts like Lutris. Proton is a package of technologies (Wine, DXVK, Vessel), not a configuration manager. Each individual game gets an identical, isolated runtime environment without any bespoke modifications except for downloading precompiled shaders (if available).

It's certainly true that Proton has hardcoded quirk flags for specific applications, but these are exceptions which prove the rule -- there are <200 of these compared with thousands of Verified status games. Almost always, Valve prefers to fix the upstream Wine/DXVK bug rather than hacking around it. Any hacks which Valve does ship are in the Proton source code, not per-game environment scripts.

[–] leinardi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just installed it and it seems to work out-of-the-box for me on Ubuntu 23.10 with a AMD 7900 XTX and AMD 5800X. I'm getting around 55 fps at 3440x1440 with almost everything high beside having disabled V-Sync, DoF and Motion blur. AA set to TAA 2x.

[–] ougi@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Runs like hot garbage on medium 4K on a 6900XT. 25fps with an empty city. On launch, it defaulted to ultimate settings, and had the menus chugging at 3fps.

Feels like they accidentally shipped a debug/non-optimized build to customers.

[–] 9715698@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They flatout said the performance is not where they wanted it to be. This state was to be expected. Nonetheless glad it's on gamepads and hope that I'll be able to run it some day.

[–] ougi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I meant what I said. 4fps on menus is officially “bug” category, not “urrrrr it’s not where we want it to be”.

[–] sneaky_b45tard@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

PSA you can download a savegame with a city pop of 100k to check how well the game will run in later stages. By doing this you can check it and refund it if necessary.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gameranx's "Before you Buy" said it was "extremely undercooked and not optimized", struggling to get to 30fps on medium settings on a good rig - so I don't imagine it'll run any better on Proton for now. I'll wait a few patches before getting it.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

It 'opens' on Steam Deck and Mac but it runs poorly even before really starting your city (City Planner Plays tried it to benchmark), so it appears that it is at least compatible with Linux via Proton.

[–] orac@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

Runs fine on my computer. Getting a consistent 40-60 fps without lag or stuttering in a 10K city.

OS: Manjaro
KERNEL: 6.5.5-1
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT
DRIVER: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.9
PROTON: 8.0-4

[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Sounded like you'll be lucky to get it running even on a normal Windows rig let alone via proton lol. Paradox doing Paradox things

[+] canis_majoris@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bad.

It doesn't work natively on Windows without stressing even the highest end machines. I guarantee if you try to emulate it, the result will be even worse than the already terrible native experience.

[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

WINE: Wine Is Not an Emulator

API call translation is often very inexpensive and, particularly in the case of DXVK for graphics calls, sometimes actually results in faster code if the underlying API implementation is more performant than the original Win32 equivalent -- see Elden Ring launch day performance on Linux vs. Windows for an example of this.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if we use proton as a translation layer? QEMU or any other emulator seems really overkill for gaming

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago

I guarantee that flew over his head :)