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England 0 - 0 Italy

Venue: Wembley Stadium, London, England

Referee: Clément Turpin (France)


England:

Starting XI Notes Subs Notes
Jordan Pickford Aaron Ramsdale
John Stones Sam Johnstone
Harry Maguire Lewis Dunk
Kyle Walker Levi Colwill
Kieran Trippier Marc Guéhi
Kalvin Phillips Trent Alexander-Arnold
Declan Rice Jarrod Bowen
Marcus Rashford Jordan Henderson
Jude Bellingham Conor Gallagher
Phil Foden James Maddison
Harry Kane Jack Grealish
Ollie Watkins

Manager: Gareth Southgate (England)


Italy:

Starting XI Notes Subs Notes
Gianluigi Donnarumma Alex Meret
Giorgio Scalvini Guglielmo Vicario
Francesco Acerbi Alessandro Bastoni
Giovanni Di Lorenzo Gianluca Mancini
Destiny Udogie Federico Gatti
Bryan Cristante Matteo Darmian
Davide Frattesi Federico Dimarco
Nicolò Barella Manuel Locatelli
Domenico Berardi Giacomo Bonaventura
Stephan El Shaarawy Giacomo Raspadori
Gianluca Scamacca Moise Kean
Riccardo Orsolini

Manager: Luciano Spalletti (Italy)


MATCH EVENTS

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[–] Mean_Stretcher@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just dont understand how jack manages to get so many fouls against him

[–] Impale64@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It's those massive calves. Larger surface area.

[–] LDLB99@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Invest in Maguire stocks?

[–] Ok-fine-man@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is Bellingham Jesus reincarnated?

[–] fuqqkevindurant@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Jesus was just a prophet letting us know that Jude was on his way

[–] happygreenturtle@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Now imagine we had Guehi in every game instead of Harry Magliability

[–] fuqqkevindurant@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Maguire was England's best player not named Jude "Literally Jesus" Bellingham

[–] incurious_enthusiast@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

That lad was running around his bedroom 10 years ago with his arms up

And the crowd goes wild for Bellingham

Living the dream lad, living the dream, and worthy off it.

[–] play_Max_Payne_pls@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

That crowd ball really threw me off

[–] Volotor@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

We've gone and done the double over Italy, amazing from the lads.

[–] WellRed85@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Italy missing another tournament will be delightful. Fingers crossed

[–] fuqqkevindurant@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Hey man, Im from the future and it's never coming home. Just wanted to let you know that.

[–] Ok-fine-man@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Did anyone else just see a giant football lobbed up centre screen?

[–] AonghusMacKilkenny@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

When was the last time England had an international match in a foreign country?

[–] Volotor@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

9th September vs Ukraine in Poland

12th September vs/in Scotland

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[–] Hits_and_the_Mrs@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Just listened to vindaloo all the way through for the first time in years, what a tune, what nostalgia

[–] Wazflame@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

KANE GETS TO GO HOME, TO GERMANY IN 2024

[–] traveloshity@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Haha, what is she talking about? That atmosphere is shit considering we’ve just qualified for a major tournament!

[–] Opposite_lmage@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

You’re there are you?

[–] PolarPeely26@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Only sour point was the minutes silence at the start. Why did so many dickheads start shouting. Stones looked so disappointed by it.

[–] brokebatmountain@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just think lads that this time next year we would have won the euros

[–] urnangay420blazeit@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Lmao that’s ambitious

[–] fuqqkevindurant@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

You played one of the weakest Italy squads possible and had a lot of trouble, relying on Jude Bellingham literally being Zidane and Scalvini making mistakes like a 19 year old defender is expected to.

If you think that game showed you're not going to have trouble even seeing a semi-final, you had about 15 beers too many

[–] OnceIWasYou@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly, it was hard to concentrate on this game after hearing what happened a couple hours earlier.

Bellingham is magic and Kane is just class though.

[–] dawgs912@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What happened?

[–] yellow__cat@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

There were some interesting and risky tactics by Spalletti to play with a back 5 in the defensive phase with El Shaarway dropping to LWB, and transiting to some kind of 2-3-5 in possession with Udogie stepping in the midfield, and Frattesi stepping into the forward line, and Di Lorenzo constantly overlapping on the right. It worked decently in the first half, but was ultimately this was way too unbalanced as every goal was conceded from too few players in defensive zones during transitions. I preferred last weeks tactics where Darmian stayed back so that we always had 3 defenders while Dimarco had freedom to push up the left flank and Raspadori/Kean could drift into the middle.

Ultimately this team is built to play in a traditional back three system, so if Spalletti is going to insist on a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 he needs to pick a first XI and keep the team and tactics as consistent as possible. Pressing is the most important feature in Spalletti's teams and it's not going to be easy for these players to pick up the right patterns when they only train together ever few months, so he needs to make things as simple as possible for them. You could see today they were confused about who needs to step where.

Considering all of our defenders play in back 3 systems at club level, we need to be more defensively stable and conservative if we're going to use a back 4 against top teams. If we play with Dimarco as LB, the RB needs to stay in defensive positions to support the CBs (Bastoni/Acerbi/Scalvini/Mancini/Gatti who are always used to having a 3rd player), like Darmian did to great effect against Malta. Di Lorenzo was a great defensive RB in previous seasons, but he's gotten a taste for goals and assists and is way too eager to join the attack, leaving use hugely unbalanced in defensive transitions.

Overall the game today wasn't as bad as the scoreline and comments make it seem. There were some good moments and some bad luck (Udogie almost scoring to make it 2-1; Phillips not getting the second yellow he deserved) against some of the most in form players in the world, but Spalletti has a huge job on his hands if he expects to turn this team into anything like what his Napoli was.

[–] Dafunkbacktothefunk@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

As much as I am annoyed with him about the Henderson thing - can’t really fault Gareth on what he’s built here, this team just eases through the gears so smoothly.

[–] Old_Harry7@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Embarrassing play by the referee, Philips should have been expelled in the first half or at least given a straight red card in the second half, there was a clear pen for England in the second half.

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