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I'm excited for Bloodlines 2! (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by Godric@lemmy.world to c/vamp_tm@ttrpg.network

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Cautiously excited tho

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[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I just don't see how this game is likely to be good. Portraying social issues and including racial, ethnic, gender, and sexual minorities isn't going to be the game's issue. The tabletop game (despite a somewhat checkered history in some areas) has a history of being welcoming to people and not flinching away from difficult and current issues, and that extends to its video game counterparts. What worries me is that none of the people who made the original what it was worked on this game. Then, it went through a tortured development process. I genuinely thought it was vaporware for years.

Video games (and basically all mass corporate media) are really weird. It's like if the corporation that owns the rights to the Beatles' library just made another band altogether, put them in similar suits and haircuts, and then just went, "these guys are the Beatles 2!" They have the rights to the Beatles' songs, so they're up there playing stuff from Sergeant Peppers, but it's just a bunch of totally different guys. And then they start playing their new stuff - totally unrelated to the original band in conception, motive, etc. - and people are like, "you like the Beatles, right? That means you gotta like the Beatles 2!"

[–] LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the new W:TA book makes a note of how while the writers and publisher are legally prohibited from using real corporations like Exxon and Nestle, the players are not, and are encouraged to utilize those corporations and their real-life atrocities for gameplay purposes, and I think all the books specifically call out that this game is not something fascists will enjoy. Socioeconomics and Politics are part and parcel of WoD settings, and it'll be a poor game that takes a milquetoast stance on the economic violence inflicted on people by the banal evil of hypercapitalism, the same way it's a poor game that doesn't push characters in dark, bleak directions for everything from power to survival.

[–] Sewer_King@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Theseus: The Masquerade - Shiplines

[–] deus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I mean, troubled development aside, you could have written basically the same comment about Baldur's Gate 3 and yet that game turned out great. Have some faith, there's no reason why Bloodlines 2 can't be a good game as well.

[–] Garden_Ramsay@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is George RR Martin developing this game?

Jokes aside the 2004 game was great. Can't wait to see what they do with modern tech. Never tried the ttrpg but I'm a fan of vampires.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

It had some time in dev hell. I guess what hard suit made for game play left a lot to be desired. They passed it to The Chinese Room, (makers of Dear Esther) and it really came into its own.

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not getting excited until it actually releases and the reviews come out: I've been burnt too many times by companies releasing unfinished games at absurd prices.

[–] LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, based on past experience and the sheer amount of development hell this game has gone through, I'm pretty certain the only way this game is ever good is if it can pick up a community that supports and refines it to a lovable mess, the same way VTMB1 was. It was (and but for the scant recent announcements, still is) in such a state of uncertainty that they fucking refunded the preorders, and while it might just be a show of good faith, that doesn't ever happen unless the publisher has no hope the game will ever see the light of day.

I would love to be wrong and pleasantly surprised if/when this game does finally hit the storefront, but until that day I'm going to wallow in the knowledge that the game will never be as good as what we imagine it could be.