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[–] mbelcher@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

For thousands of years humans have lived in "15 min villages" where almost everything has been nearby.

And most 15 min city definitions I've seen includes some sort of bike option.

I encourage everyone who lives in a city (or suburb) to look up routes from their home to groceries/pharmacies/schools/etc on google maps. I just did for myself and I'm already in a 15 minute city.

What's lacking is the infrastructure for people to safely get to these places without a car.

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mentions solar punk, check
Dunks on Jordan Peterson, check
Good video

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's bad about convenience lol?

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The convenience of having everything near you?

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I wish I could walk to the grocery store in 15 minutes. I have to walk 20, like some sort of cave man. ^Just^ ^kidding,^ ^I^ ^ride^ ^my^ ^bike.^

I don't see why anybody wouldn't want that though, it's great.

[–] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m terrible at summarizing videos so I would suggest you watch this one; it’s a short but detailed examination of the concept.

But basically, there are a number of good reasons to be concerned or disinterested in the idea, because a lot has to do with how and why it’s implemented. As the saying goes, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

The value of walkable cities is evident: having every necessary amenity within a short distance from where you live, reducing commuting and focusing on public transportation instead of cars, which also allows for people of all walks of life to interact with each other to build community in place of segregation? Sounds lovely!

The problems arise when you consider the history of urban planning. She discusses those when she talks about how moving to suburbs in America effectively set up a divide in race and class as the poor, black community was forced into less attractive land while the more middle and upper class whites could flee to the suburbs. Critics of 15 minute cities would argue that this would inevitably happen, and there is certainly precedent in America for separate and unequal.

She also talks about how France has been heavy handed about assimilation into the culture that can be damaging to immigrants, and how more idealized notions of planned city development depend upon cultures mixing and engaging in conversation, not assimilation, and there’s something to be said about a government’s ability to make meaningful change without causing harm.

An issue that she didn’t bring up is how would those with disabilities live? If cities are designed to be walkable by reducing car access, how is someone who needs a car able yo get around?

I think the overall idea of severely limiting our dependence upon cars and a focus on developing local communities in an increasingly splintered era is an inherent good, but there definitely are valid concerns and criticisms to be had about the concept; it’s not just conspiracy theorists.

[–] tinycarnivoroussheep@possumpat.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't the argument that people with disabilities are better off with accessible public transit over needing an expensive car, possibly with expensive modifications? Not all people with disabilities can even drive, and installing things like wheelchair lifts or ramps on a personal vehicle can get hella expensive.

[–] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It comes down to the “last mile” problem: someone who can’t make it very far isn’t going to be helped much by public transportation if it only get them close to where they need to go instead of right at the doorstep.

That, and public transportation involves… dealing with the public. For the agoraphobe, the autistic who is overstimulated, and the person dealing with PTSD from physical/sexual assault, being crowded into a train with a bunch of people would be hell. There always have to be alternatives because no one system fits all.

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nobody wants to ban cars completely. Services have to access the houses too after all. But the idea is that driving should not be the default. Maybe you can only drive at walking speeds, or you have to yield to all other people. So it is not reasonable to drive if you don't strictly have to.

And yes, most disabled people are better off with accessible (actually accessible, without the need of other people) public transport.