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[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 149 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 96 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interestingly, the states rights debate is true, wholly.

The north wanted to keep the right to acknowledge escaped slaves as free, and the south kept sending people up there to kidnap free men and women. They were even known to kidnap free born black people and sell them into slavery.

The south also wanted to charge the north for this "service".

When people talk about states rights, remind them that the south was heavily infringing on the rights of the northern states.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's "true" on a technicality. It was about slavery.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

States joining the Confederacy were required to enshrine slavery in their constitutions. They didn't have the right to reject it. If it had anything to do with states rights at all, it was about ensuring the states didn't have the right to abolish slavery.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 1 year ago

They also put it in their constitution that slavery could never be outlawed. Sounds like a really big issue for states rights

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 63 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"Buy muh Southern Pride!"

"What about the south are you proud of that involves the battle flag of the side that wanted to keep slavery?"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The flag for a nation that lasted less than 5 years. Bill Clinton's presidency was a longer piece of Southern heritage than that.

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cocomelon has lasted for over four times as long as the Confederacy

They're being beaten by mind-numbing nursery rhymes

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Matthew McConaughey's career is almost eight times as long as the Confederacy. Why aren't they proud of that piece of Southern heritage? Why am I not seeing this on the back of jacked-up pickup trucks?

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Cuz "that would be gay", and Conservatives only allow themselves to be gay in secret

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

If that is gay, what is this???

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was proud of being a punker in 1988. That phase lasted longer than the Civil War.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real Southern Pride is the 1st Alabama Cavalry riding with Sherman to liberate the South o7

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I've lived in Minnesota my whole life. Growing up, there was some religiously homeschooled dumb ass serving in the mn national guard who said that the Virginia battle flag was heritage. The last time I talked to him, I told him that the only heritage for us involving that flag is in the MN historical society archives.

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[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Really? These clowns couldn't take over the capitol building and now they think theyre going to take over the country? Honk your nose for me on your way our the door, k?

[–] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They actually believe that they can revolt, and with their AR-15s, magically take out National Guard troops and just acquire their weapons and armored vehicles.

A member of my family is not only a veteran, but also fell into this lunacy and thinks his work as a logistics officer and his NG training puts him on the level of the Navy SEALs. And he's almost 60. He salivates at the idea of fighting the mythical military oppression from the evil Demoncrats trying to take away his guns.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also a factor, I think, is the notion that the military rank and file are secretly on their side, and in the event of an uprising would defect.

[–] Shialac@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Too bad they fucked over the country so much, 90% of people in the military are just poor people that cant afford college (or to live in general). I dont think these people will join some white supremacist fucks

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No civil war. This time just let them go. They will quickly devolve into third world countries. And my federal tax dollars will no longer go to their bullshit.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't really want to secede. They want to dominate their opponents. C'mon bro.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

This is it. These people only respect power and hierarchy. Honestly most of the crazies will back down when they lose an election. January 6th was just the stupidest ones.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago

They're not gonna just go quietly.

If they could just live their lives in peace without infringing on the rights and freedoms of others they wouldn't need a civil war. They wouldn't have needed the first civil war either.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I dunno, the south might give us a run for our money this time around. I mean, they have some of the most elite soldiers in the country, including but not limited to: the Gravy SEAL's Meal Team Six, the Green Buffets, and the Roast Guard. Not to mention their many terror sleeper cells like the Yee-Hawdists, Y'all Qaeda and Vanilla ISIS.

Scary thought to put our uniformed men and women against that crack fighting force, they might come back with some severe PTSD.

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[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Considering the avg republican has to ride the diabetes scooters at Walmart I think the 2nd civil war will be a goddamn turkey shoot.

Let's find out, Trumptards!

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

A bunch of fat, crazy LARPers in the woods does not a confederacy make.

[–] Tammo-Korsai@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

The south will rise again.... slowly from their mobility scooters.

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[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Civil wars don't just start. There's a build up. Republicans will begin to engage in acts of domestic terrorism like bombings and blowing up substations. Dems will definitely retaliate and that's how we get a civil war.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt even this would cause a civil war. By world standards, U.S. citizens have pretty good lives, so most people wouldn't risk it. An unprecedented and complete collapse of the U.S. quality of life would be necessary. People would need to feel like they had nothing to lose, and much to gain to attempt to fight the U.S.

I suppose a quick coup is possible. If the DoD/military backed it, I'd guess most people would just accept it as the way things are, or try to emigrate to other countries.

The U.S., the "west", and possibly the entire world is probably just destined for a long slow decline as global capitalism eats itself. Probably transitioning to something worse featuring mass surveillance, disinformation like we've never seen (powered by "AI" tech), and even greater inequality. But I'm a pessimist :)

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If by "retaliate", you mean arrest people, then yes. The closest dems get to doing things outside the law is black people "getting uppity" and accidentally setting fire to the local buger king.

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[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago
[–] andyortlieb@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That sounds cool fun and easy but armed and untrained and undisciplined nut jobs crawling from the woodwork is not going to be a clean finish for anyone involved. Obviously this isn't meant to be a deterrent for the justice system... but we're working on a different tier here. It's not going to be high profile business and agencies fighting each other. It's going to be normal working people being attacked by deranged wing nuts and always by surprise, because there will be no centcom for them.

So, if you think you're going to be prepared for an outcome like this, I do wonder what you're packing.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As someone outside the country, I think uncle sam will do just fine vs meal team 6.

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[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dramatic and doomerpilled.

The US military will aggressively dismantle any secessionist activity if it comes to blood. Hopefully we get to see some combined arms ops with the good tech for once instead of holding back.

Meanwhile I'm gonna crack cold ones while I watch red states suffer from their own actions.

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been seeing a few documentary style videos on YouTube talking about the uptick in far-right groups in the US. One guy was able to talk to a former group member, saying for the past year or-so they've been "preparing" for a civil war. Another member said they had people intentionally join the army to try and get people on the inside.

Documentary bro tried to contact the FBI about it and was able to get in contact with an agent, but the FBI essentially said they wouldn't do anything about it.

Although I don't think a civil war is going to happen anytime soon, it's scary to think that the FBI doesn't seem to care about any of this.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Something something those that wear the uniforms (or carry badges in this case) by day are the ones burning crosses at night.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, he's going to Federal prison, not jail.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Reconstruction this time, but the radicals never lose power.

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