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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

As a cyclist, I've seen more motorists blow through stop signs than other cyclists, and they are the ones who can kill someone.

Idaho Stops need to come to Canada. Not only have they been proven to be safer, but it makes sense in a dozen different ways.

I've sat at red lights (as a cyclist) and the light DOES NOT CHANGE unless a car is waiting at that same light. We're talking 10+ minutes. Who the hell thinks it's OK for cyclists to have to sit there indefinitely when no other cars are around, just because of some outdated laws? We need to change with the times!

[–] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

Considering how much stop signs are overused in North America, this is unreasonable. Either replace many stop signs with yield signs where safe to do so, or allow cyclists to pass through stop signs as if it they were yield signs. Holding momentum is important for cyclists.

[–] HewlettHackard@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And those jurisdictions are what is colloquially known as "stupid".

[–] nicktron@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Have you decided to change your opinion yet, since you’ve had plenty of time to read about and fix your own “stupid” though?

[–] Velonie@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop

See the section on safety. It's safer for bicycles to yield at stop signs instead of come to a complete stop. The most dangerous part of cycling is in an intersection, and you'll spend more time in them when coming to a complete stop every time

[–] Polendri@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

It's hard not to see this as ignorance given how easy it is to look up the great safety record of these laws (i.e. right there on the Wikipedia page).

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Cars and bicycles are two completely different things, and should have different rules governing them. A car is larger, deadlier, and takes longer to stop than a bicycle. A car going 40-50 kph is traveling with far more force, and won't be able to stop as fast as a bicycle traveling 20 kph.

It's like saying cars and planes should follow the same rules. Or even better, cars and semi trucks. There are highway speed signs that state one speed for trucks and one for everyone else. Or certain roads where trucks aren't allowed to drive on. We already have a tiered approach to motor vehicles, it should extend to bikes as well. Blanket approaches don't work in our modern world when we have cars, bikes, ebikes, escooters, etc all sharing the same space.

[–] zeeps@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're gonna ride your bicycle on the road, you better stop at a stop sign. Don't be an idiot.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, I always yield at stop signs, but I am not likely to come to a complete stop on a bike if there is nobody to yield to. Many car drivers don't either, as any road user is already aware.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Oh they're doing it so I can do it to," said the pile of bones and guts spread out along the intersection.

Cars have a little more protection than a bicyclist for the occupants of the vehicle.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

If anything, the fact that cars are more likely to injure another road user than their occupants, is even more reason that they should come to a complete stop, moreso than any other road user.