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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Six months ago I moved from the US to a country where BYD and other Chinese brands are available. In the past I owned GM cars. The former GM executive is correct. After trying Chinese cars I find it extremely difficult to justify paying 40-60% more for a car made by GM or anyone else. GM’s best selling cars here are made by its Chinese joint ventures and aren’t available for sale in the US, and they are the only GM cars I would buy.

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Where free market? It will regulate itself /s

[–] mormund@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well China did subsidize that industry massively, to a point were their domestic market is flooded with very low margins. So the market is already very distorted. But I find it hard to hate on that because flooding the market with electric vehicles and solar panels is better than anything economists are coming up with.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Plus people usually bring it up in a stupid way. Yes they did. Yes we do that too (for all the “we” on the internet). Some amount of that is entirely normal on the global market.

The real problem is US conservatives who understand car manufacturing is a strategic industry but do not want to give that guidance to aid the transition to new technology, US politicians who can’t cooperate on a coherent long term industrial policy, US politicians who can’t look beyond short term profits for their corporate owners, or outrage headlines for their constituents. There’s nothing magical about Chinese companies taking over the industry, nothing hidden, just politicians establishing a strategy and sticking with it long enough to benefit

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[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (15 children)

American manufacturing seems very incapable of change. If things worked this way for decades, why change it? Meanwhile the world moved on and they ask themselves why doesn't anyone wanna buy american...?

[–] atk007@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think Americans can't change, just look at German Automakers. They are stuck in Perpetual denial. VW only moved electric because of the massive diesel scandal, otherwise they also would have been like every other car manufacturer.

[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, but nobody ever expected Germany to be quick and adapt. Germany does not do that in general. It takes something that exists, perfects it, and then sells the perfection of the existing thing, ideally until really not a single person on the world needs it anymore. US on the other hand, has the reputation where innovation begins and does wonders. I am asking myself, where is the innovation in their autoindustry? Last thing was actually Tesla itself, when they started producing first electric cars.

It is the same situation, but the expectation is completely opposite.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Dam maybe some of the American automakers who took billions in subsidies should have built cheaper cars instead of the largest trucks possible to skirt regulations.

I literally can't afford an American car, i can afford a BYD tho.

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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So here is the thing.
U lost. The moment I need American people to bail you out, you need to treat American people way way the fuck better.

Worker rights, mandatory vacations, work protections, pensions, guaranteed healthcare etc.

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[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So they dont care about making cars for the world market, they just want regulations to allow them to milk the american market...

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

The same thing happened in the 80s with Japan. The Japanese were no longer making crappy cars but small and very reliable, affordable cars. Detroit was still making rust buckets, obsessing over powerful engines with bodies that rotted out and defects galore. Detroit got beaten up badly (Chrysler had to get a gov bailout) until they cleaned up their act and improved their products. Protecting Detroit from competition would've just saddled US consumers with decades more of crappy, overpriced, low quality, cars.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/how-detroits-automakers-went-from-kings-of-the-road-to-roadkill/

We still don't let in the small pickups the rest of the world enjoys.

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