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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 142 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Japanese media is full of this, and it's great. All kinds of absurd cross-shaped guns and militant priests with nothing more than vague aesthetic similarities to practiced christianity. A delightful reciprocation to how western media treats japanese culture.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 6 days ago (4 children)

This comment reminds me of the japanese cult that beliefs Jesus did not die on the cross but it was his japaneae brother instead and Jesus moved to Japan until he died of old age.

[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The biggest cult in the Philippines, which dabbles in prosperity gospel and owns an entire arena here, believed it was some Filipino man. I don't even remember if they view him as Jesus or some other incarnation. But where I live, they have the most followers. Oh and sometimes, they get people killed, like what happened to my uncle years ago.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

believed it was some Filipino man

somehow god always looks like his believers.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago

Shit. Sorry about your uncle. From what I read the japanese cult seems peaceful at least.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I maintain that the ending and plotline of Evangelion is actually closer to actual Christian canon than most people's understandings.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The original ending, End of Evangelion, or Rebuild?

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's full of mercy.

- Wolfwood

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Do you have any good examples; that sounds entertaining af.

"I've read some more of this book. Apparently, if your neighbors show up at your house wanting to rape your guests, you should send out your daughters to be raped instead."

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Klingons did it best.

[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Crucifixion didn’t lead to death by starvation but by suffocation.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

elaborate? (I could Google it, but I prefer human response)

[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Basically, once your feet/legs get too tired to carry your weight you hang from your arms. This basically means to breathe you have to push up your entire body weight with your chest muscles. After a while you get too exhausted to breathe and suffocate.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

interesting, why can you breath? is the position stretching the chest making it harder?

[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, it makes it harder to both inhale and exhale because it makes it difficult to expand or compress your chest since your whole body weight is keeping it stretched.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

ok.

however, wasn't he nailed? wouldn't bleeding from those injuries kill you faster?

isn't there a part where he was also stabbed by a spear?

they really wanted him dead

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The stabbing thing happened after he died.

Romans would brake the legs of crucified victims to check if they were still alive. In Jesus case they instead pocked him with a spear.

The person that wrote this part of the gospel (as in, very likley, made it up), had to write this in because they needed to keep the story of Jesus in line with old testament prophecies about the Messias, one of which speaks of said Messias beeing "unbroken". So they came up with an alternative to the leg braking.

It's one of several examples where gospel writers tried to write things into the gospel that made it look like Jesus was the Messias by inventing events about him that made his life line up with existing prophecies about the jewish messiah.

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It is believed they nailed through the wrists not the hands.

You could probably put a nail through your wrist and just leave it and live your life without treating it. You'd have to be unlucky and hit a large vein and your body not clot properly, the nail would help stop the blood.

It's like the myth with a bullet. First thing is not to pull it out because it will make things worse. You can live with a bullet in you.

The stabbing of the spear, to my knowledge, was for mercy so he'd not suffer as long.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Crucifixion strikes me as the kind of punishment where they would endeavour to ensure the person would survive up there for a decent while — to prolong their suffering, and the display of said suffering. It's a grim method of execution.

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It was pretty common to put a small board a little bit above the butt, placed so that you can't really sit on it without hurting your feet, but preventing that you die too soon.

I read up the current wikipedia article for this, and apparently suffocation isn't thought of as cause of death anymore since 2023! @BorgDrone@feddit.nl @IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world @Sludgeyy@lemmy.world

In 2023, an analysis of medical literature concluded that asphyxiation is discredited as the primary cause of death from crucifixion. There is scholarly support for several possible non-asphyxiation causes of death: heart failure or arrhythmia, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, dehydration, and pulmonary embolism. Death could result from any combination of those factors, or from other causes, including sepsis following infection due to the wounds caused by the nails or by the scourging that often preceded crucifixion, or from stabbing by the guards.

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[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 5 points 6 days ago

That probably would have killed him even faster yes. Usually with crucifixions people weren’t nailed but tied to the cross with ropes.

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 21 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I recently read The World Until Yesterday which compares the way of life between tribal cultures and western cultures. The section about religion has a clumsy preamble that was obviously trying to cushion the blow for religious people reading the book who thought their religion was any different to tribal religions.

The author then goes on to treat them all the same.

It was quite funny to read. I was imagining how it must feel to see your religion laid out side by side with a dozen other equally stupid myths and think "Yep this is the right one. I was super lucky to be born to parents who picked the correct religion!"

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For me, a historical fiction that put norse and chriatianity on similar footing was the push that got me from "ugh this religious stuff is annoying" to "oh, it's probably bullshit, too". In hindsight, it's pretty telling that christianity puts the most emphasis on having faith no matter what evidence or lack thereof is presented, to the point where that alone determines whether one is punished, ignored, or rewarded in a way that is completely unverifiable to anyone living.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've been saying for years this is literal training for anti-intellectualism and ultimately fascism and hate. As soon as you can convince yourself to believe something just because someone said to without any evidence or even contrary evidence, you're primed to start doing that in other areas of your life. Grifters and fascists will absolutely take advantage of people like that without a second thought, and they scream their propaganda all over Fox news. Religion is more than just some stupid bullshit people believe, it's a threat to democracy and freedom.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago

Absolutely.

Blind faith is an incredibly dangerous habit.

It's crazy that we accept it as a normal human variation.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Fun fact: the actual death from crucifiction was suffocation. Once the victim loses the strength to hold themselves up, the slouch puts some sort of stress on their lungs. There was an instance of the Romans not breaking someone's legs (which suggests that maybe that was part of the practice) so they would suffer longer. I don't remember where that info came from, but I've been reading lots of books about the first 200 years of christianity for about 20 months.

I'm an atheist, of course, just also a history nerd.

One other side note: around 1999, I wanted to make a "student" film (I was barely a student) about the life and times of christ. He'd fuck up and raise Lazarus as a zombie in one of the scenes. Never made it.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Your film idea makes me think you'd enjoy the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, a book in the apocrypha starring Mary teaching baby Jesus not to kill his classmates for being dumb kids.

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[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

I'm just here because I love seeing comments that read "deleted by creator" in all the threads about Jesus.

[–] Clasm@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"Their cultists still decorate themselves with replicas of the murder weapon to This Day!!!"

[–] Gustephan@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

The cult really needs to indoctrinate its members with the idea that a violent abusive authority figure that does nothing but demand tribute and obedience from you while protecting you from nothing is somehow "love." Honestly that's the most offensive thing to me about christians and their imaginary friend. Even if you look past the fact that there is literally more evidence of Spiderman's existence than there is of god's existence, the thing they glorify is literally a violent abusive patriarchy.

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