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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Yeah, I don’t know how to solve the issues of two separate families feeling ownership for the same location (fifty years ago, a Palestinian family including several living members was evicted from a home, and an Israeli couple moved in and then died, leaving their property to their children who played no role in taking the property from the Palestinians), but the solution is not to deport all of the Israelis from the region.

My first instinct would be that the government would need to build a LOT of desirable housing and offer a cash incentive to all current and former residents to cede ownership claims to other properties in exchange for the deed to one of the newer properties, but it immediately occurs to me that the wealth difference between the average Palestinian family and the average Israeli family is probably large enough that there would essentially be a self-selection bias. Especially given the fact that poverty and food insecurity reduce our ability to make good financial decisions.

I can’t think of a resolution for that situation that doesn’t involve someone feeling resentful. I’m not saying they have equal claim- but I know that the descendants of settlers are also people, who don’t want to be evicted from the (stolen) houses in which they were raised, and sowing resentment has not helped the region in the past.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, eminent domain exists for this reason, but generally, compensation for stolen property is the norm because of the difficulty of dealing with inheritances and the like several steps removed from the original crime.

Recognizing the validity of residency is not the same as recognizing privilege. "You can stay under the same criteria as anyone else, because we aren't here to engage in ethnic cleansing" and "Your property is sacrosanct and cannot be touched under any circumstances" are two different concepts, after all.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, there are a thousand ways they could improve their current way of handling it. I just don’t know what the best way would be, though it would definitely involve eminent domain. I guess a lottery system for determining which families get the ancestral home?

I used to take solace in the fact that people smarter than I were in charge of this, so they could do better than that as a solution, but I’m increasingly skeptical that they actually will.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

One of the most horrific things to learn in life is that not only are people in power often shitheads, they're often stupid shitheads as well.

It's... frustrating when examining policy discussions on an academic level.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (21 children)

We've tried a 1 state solution for a long time

It's probably time to start aknowledging the goal of Zionism is to take land from others, and aknowledge that the Zionist have too much influence in politics.

It's either the Zionists go, or we just have to accept that Isreal wants to behave like a fascist colonizer and cut ties

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[–] Googlies@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (34 children)

Israel is allowed to literally cause a holocaust on the Palestinian people for the last 70+ years, backed by seemingly the majority of the political landscape and the population. Israelis chanting death to entire ethnicities but nooooo we can't say anything that might hurt their poor lil feelings. Bunch of bollocks. You lot are a bunch of clowns that are entirely too comfortable with the deaths of brown people.

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[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (13 children)

The meme itself is fine.

But shilling a one-state solution with it?

Not cool.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Any criticism of the Israeli government, no matter how milquetoast, gets called anti-semitic by defenders, folks shouldn't be shocked when people shrug after a while, say, "guess I'm anti-semitic now", and really let loose.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Any criticism of the Israeli government, no matter how milquetoast, gets called anti-semitic by defenders, folks shouldn’t be shocked when people shrug after a while, say, “guess I’m anti-semitic now”, and really let loose.

Uh, except for the bit where 'letting loose' is 'revealing that they actually are antisemitic'. I generally assume that people, and especially left-leaning people, aren't antisemitic even if Israel critiques them as such; to find out that a very nonzero amount actually are, and a much larger amount are willing to endorse or tolerate those antisemitic views, is deeply disturbing.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Thanks to Netanyahu and his goonies (such as Trump and Starmer) the word anti-semitist has lost all meaning.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I hold equal disdain for all Abrahamic Religions.

They are a plague.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Jewish people and groups around the world need to issue strong rejection of Israel's actions.

If they don't, i'm very concerned that Israel's crimes will fall back on them in the future.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Albert Einstein is 100% correct. Read his letter to the NY Times.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, the term "antisemitic" no longer has any kind of fixed meaning. I wish that weren't true, and I think it's a combination of forces that decided to misuse the word for several decades, that have now led to it being meaningless.

And you might be tempted to tell me what you think it means, and maybe I could agree with you, but when I turn on the TV tomorrow someone else will be using it in a totally different way that's inconsistent. Actually I'm kidding. I don't have a TV.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

I really don't understand people who think a one state solution is possible anymore. I'm not sure if it ever was but certainly at this point it's not viable.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Nothing is "viable" if you just extrapolate the present, except I guess genocide.

To take a step back, moral ambition and political courage are necessary. If Ireland could reach a Good Friday Agreement, if South Africa could overcome apartheid, so can Palestine/Israel.

A plurinational democratic state with equal rights for all, with a truth and reconciliation process, and with strong international support is the only way the middle east can ever reach peace.

And if we are putting on big boy pants and imagining a better world, why not envision the Mediterranean Union becoming a force for democratization and stabilization allowing the free movement of people throughout the region.

When realism is dystopian, fuck realism and pick utopia. Otherwise, why even live?

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 13 points 1 week ago (10 children)

As long as:

Stolen land is given back, and criminals prosecuted,

Sure.

[–] Googlies@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You want to prosecute criminals responsible for an insane amount of death? Believe it or not, anti-Semitic.

You want justice for people whose lives have been systematically destroyed over 70+ years? Believe it or not, anti-Semitic.

This person actually believes they're being brilliant suggesting a one state solution but is that really for the benefit of the Palestinian people? Or is it to further push save Israel agenda since everyone can now see their true nature.

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[–] confluence@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Israel is the most anti-Jewish state since Nazi Germany, and Palestinians are semitic.

[–] sknob@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So many people on the left for whom jew = Zionist = fascist Israeli. It plays right in the hand of all the actual right-wingers and fascists supporting Israel. Appalling and stupid.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Isn't that the stance of Israel as well? They claim to be the representatives of all jewish people.

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