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When lunatics start talking about expelling all Israelis 'Back to Europe' instead of integrating them in a one-state solution
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this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2025
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We've tried a 1 state solution for a long time
It's probably time to start aknowledging the goal of Zionism is to take land from others, and aknowledge that the Zionist have too much influence in politics.
It's either the Zionists go, or we just have to accept that Isreal wants to behave like a fascist colonizer and cut ties
Cutting ties isn't advocating genocide against Israelis though.
If we look at the modern history of the reigon, the Zionist have been the agressors since NATO made the choice to just give the Palestinians' land to the Zionists, because the Zionists wanted the land and had an excuse/sympathy after WW2.
There hasn't been a political party in Isreal capable of being peaceful and fair with their neighbors.
NATO wasn't founded until over a year after Israel was. Soviet aid, in fact, was instrumental in saving Israel after it was founded in '48.
Okay? That still doesn't justify genocide?
If you want to be pedantic about what NATO was called when the same members were just the allied forces then idk if we can talk about this in good faith.
Jews are not being currently genocided, Zionists are currently genociding Palestinians. So I feel like that's what is most valid to focus on.
It seems like most of the "antisemitism" that appeared out of nowhere in the last couple months is just a renewal of an IDF troll campaign. The warmongering Zionists get their trolls to beat the "antisemitism" gong whenever they are starting to look bad in the press.
... Jesus fucking Christ.
Israel was not 'given land' by 'the allied forces'.
It was the allies who gave the land to the Zionists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
We can see the landgrab was even unpopular with non-Zionist jews at the time.
Dude you gotta chill. Palestinians are being erased, and Jews are not. It's really as simple as that.
Supporting Zionists does not help Jews. And pretending any antisemitism happening against Zionists is as bad as the erasure of the Palestinian people is intentionally ignoring the ongoing atrocities to clutch pearls.
Zionists and Isralis don't get sympathy from me while committing the worst war crime possible.
Are you... did you not read what you literally fucking quoted? Not only is that not 'the allies', but rather independent Zionist orgs making a deal with Nazi Germany, but it's not giving land, and it's not post-WW2 like you claimed.
Oh, okay, since Palestinians are being genocided right now, we can call for a little genocide of Israelis, as a treat.
"Please don't advocate for genocide or antisemitism"
"Oh, so you think the current situation for ZIONISTS is just as bad as the ongoing Palestinian genocide???"
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Yes, it's increasingly apparent that you're quite willing to tolerate calls for genocide as long as the 'other side' committed genocide first.
When I can post literal quoted history and you aren't capable of internalizing that it makes me feel you aren't interested in a serious conversation about this.
What was the group that forced Germany to pay reperations?
Cmon say it with me, the allies!
FFS you are crashing out my dude.
In the quoted and cited incident, as I pointed out, there were no 'allies' who made Germany pay anything.
In the postwar situation, no one made Germany pay reparations to anyone involved in this situation we are discussing except the survivors of the Holocaust, and those reparations had nothing to do with the land of Israel, which was under the British Mandate of Palestine.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I'm sorry for having an understanding of the recent history of the region instead of some bizarre fucking fever dream.
Do you think Germany would have voluntarily stopped WW2 and voluntarily made reperations all on their own?
No. That's literally Revisionist history.
Don't be ignorant on purpose
what the ever-loving fuck does that have to do with the foundation of Israel and Zionists acquiring land in Palestine
If you want to learn the history of Zionism:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovers_of_Zion
The founders of modern Zionism started the ideology with the stated goal of reposessing the holy land that was promised to them by god.
This group of rich Russian and Austrian jews were able to place themselves at the table during the reperations process after WW2, they then convinced the Allied forces to give them the british owned land in the reigon, and they have been expanding their boarders ever since.
This is human history, verifiable.
Please for your own sake stop frothing and start reading Wikipedia articles.
Jesus fucking Christ.
For fuck's sake, please read up on the history of the British Mandate, including the fucking Balfour Declaration, before making insane fucking statements about Zionists being given Israel by the Allies after WW2.
Should European-Americans all “just relocate” since we occupied North America from the Native Americans?
Otherwise I don’t see how you’re any different than the Israelites.
Well one happened in living memory and people are still living in the houses of displaced people in Palestine.
This isn't just about land. This about homes, farms, legacies, birthright, inheritances that have been stolen by living people from living people. Not a vague concept of belonging.
Then we just wait another 30 years and it's okay.
Settler-colonialism in the continental US didn't end until 1953. Israel was founded in 1948.
Millions of people were displaced in Europe and other places of the world during the 1940s, who never got to go back and claim their lost property. 900,000 Jews had to leave Middle Eastern countries in the 1940s and 50s and often lost their property over the course of that.
Congratz you're starting to learn how it's problematic to deport people who were born in the reigon.
Luckily, it's not problematic or worthy of condemnation to deport people who were born in the region if their government commits genocide first. The Israeli Jews have to learn that collective punishment is Good, Actually, as long as it's in response to previous crimes.
I don't think we need to deport the Isralis, but they ARE genociding their neighbors so maybe they can't live peacefully in the reigon.
IMO the Palestinian families that lived there before WW2 have more of a claim to the land. That's if they can't stop killing each other.