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A sovereign Microsoft 365 alternative: Nextcloud and IONOS join forces - Nextcloud (nextcloud.com)
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As organizations are looking to reclaim their digital sovereignty, IONOS and Nextcloud are building the fully featured office suite “Nextcloud Workspace”: a powerful Microsoft 365 alternative. As long-standing partners, we have the expertise to enable large companies and organizations with an all-round office suite as European answer to US products. Announced at the Nextcloud Summit earlier this month, this collaboration for digitally sovereign office software that meets the highest data protection requirements will launch in 2025.

To meet the rigorous needs of public institutions and enterprises, Nextcloud Workspace will integrate a full range of collaboration tools, including file storage and sharing, document editing, email, calendaring, video conferencing, chat, and AI-powered productivity features. Of course, this offering will be fully GDPR compliant and securely hosted in Europe.

Organizations can trust Nextcloud to deliver a fully integrated office and collaboration suite, thanks to the company’s experience in creating the world’s leading private cloud platform. IONOS, Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider, is the ideal partner to ensure full GDPR compliance and protection from US legal exposure. Hosting will be managed exclusively in Germany, at IONOS’ extensive network of data centers.

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[–] Alerian@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am not sure what this is supposed to be announcing. I have been using the hosted nextcloud from Ionos for a few year and I can say the experience has not been good. The nextcloud version is outdated by several years, the store is locked and the service minimal.

That being said it was the most competitive provider I could find for nextcloud + collabora as a service (not all provider include it, hetzner does not)

Though I love nextcloud and I switched to a new provider this month, the office apps still need work,the se patate server they require make the ecosystem difficult to read. Still overall I am very happy to see this kind of things surfacing, as nextcloud is a very nice alternative to gsuite or o365 with a lot of avantage. Just don't go with the Ionos version.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Just branding, market positioning

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider

It's the first time I'm hearing about IONOS. Are they really larger than OVH?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Probably a case of hidden infrastructure.
I believe (no source) IONOS solely belongs to 1&1 AG of which 'United Internet' has a majority share (that I am sure of).
IONOS = Business focus. Primarily hosting and services
1&1 = End-Consumer focus. Primarily ISP and some other consumer services.

I would assume they count the infrastructure they provide for both 1&1 and IONOS.
Besides that they only have (I think) 2 DCs in Germany and 2 or 3 other locations in the EU and I think 1 in the US.

So in the end I would say it's either Hetzner or OVH and then IONOS as having the most infrastructure.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've moved away from Nextcloud

It is such a pain to maintain and is way complicated

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Not sure how long ago you tried it. But my first attempt at an install back in 2021 was so much more complicated than when I did it again in 2024. It's been rock solid ever since. I use the docker all-in-one method, it's pretty straightforward. When I went back to college, I decided to use it to organize all my classwork, and it's perfect for that. I still prefer LibreOffice to author papers though.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

I’ve found the docker version very easily to maintain.

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Using YunoHost saves a lot of hassles

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago

Intentional BSOD-coloured branding?

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 73 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Oh shit

This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.

AI-powered productivity features.

Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

I have a nextcloud instance and I can confirm that the ai features are plugins, and are opt-in (and also pretty cool, as ai feature go)

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.

[–] Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven't yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Doesnt categorize (if you wanna be specific: Only faces).
But it sure can search pictures by terms.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah, trouble is that it doesn't really work well with Nextcloud together so I would have to migrate all of my devices.

And in the end it doesn't work much better than NC.

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[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

No. Anytime who has actually done MSP work understand that most businesses are not purchasing office. They are purchasing a compliance and technology and identity control plane that has just about every add on a business needs.

Personal office use has always been a nice secondary.

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[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't have many problems with IONOS.
Our customers are usually recommended their S3 Object Storage (Very simple price structure)
I personally have the Business E-Mail due to it's price.
It's a bit limited and no DKIM but sufficient for most things.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

It is cheap, but the performance leaves much to be desired and their technical support is piss poor.

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's wrong with IONOS? Their VPS prices are some of the best out there and reliability has never been an issue for me.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've had the opposite experience with their cloud services in a professional context. My biggest gripe is with United Internet, the monopolistic company that owns IONOS, 1&1 (an ISP) as well as the ad-ridden, flaming pile of garbage that are GMX and WEB.DE, two of the most popular email service providers in Germany as well as a constant source of pain for anyone operating an Email server. They will ignore common industry standards and best-practices, silently block your mailserver for absolutely no reason, not respond to inquiries and just generally make the internet a slightly worse place for small to medium sized businesses and selfhosters.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This sounds like issues with SPF, DMARC AND DKIM.

You mean you (or your clients) send email to gmx/web recipients and they arent even received/blocked?

Have you checked if your mail server IPs are on a blacklist?

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I wasn't looking for technical support. You can do everything correctly and still get your mails randomly marked as spam or not delivered at all. This has happened to us, some of our customers, multiple smaller email providers as well as several municipalities (imagine blackholing government emails, what a grand idea). They don't send sensible return headers, they might not even return your undelivered mail at all, they won't react to any inquiries to their postmaster contact (or anywhere else really), they will blacklist entire IP blocks sometimes. The only way to sidestep any issues with them is to pay a few thousand bucks to enter their ~~cool kids club~~ certified sender alliance, which is what the big marketing firms use to deliver mass amounts of unwanted ads unhindered through their networks.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ionos used to be 1&1 which had a fairly poor reputation. Not sure what it's become nowadays. Apparently they haven't gotten much better.

[–] utjebe@reddthat.com 1 points 15 hours ago

They have fairly good prices for small VPS, something like €1-2 and I cannot complain. Perfect for some small self hosting. I cannot comment on their more performant boxes.

1&1 is kind of typical telco, with all the shady stuff and contracts. DSL from them is without any issues. Mobile is kind of problematic, it was fine for past 3-4 years but with their "Fancy 5G net up to 300mbps" has pretty shit so far. Last week I was abroad and my sim would not connect at all. Contacted them via online chat and they said to call them... They fixed it after like 20h

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Last time with customer service I was actually satisfied. Same with 1&1. They were cooperative and reasonable (unlile Vodafone and Telekom from what I heard)

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Well people diss Hetzner too, but I haven't really had any issues with them either. So maybe reputations aren't always something to go by.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this just hosted nextcloud with collabora office pre installed?

[–] Alerian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Pretty much, though collabora is sold for a few additional euros/month. Not all providers for hosted nextcloud have a solution for the office apps (collabora or only office) so i've found it to be Ionos main advantage, along with very nice storage space for the price

[–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It would be nice if they could offer alternatives for individuals with prices comparable to those of Hetzner Storage Share (which is based on NC). Somewhat, I feel every other NC hosting solution is way more expensive per GB.

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