Things being low fat. Sometimes it's just watered down or packed with sugar, so it may not be healthy at all
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Counter point - fat is actually healthy
No one food is "healthy" or "unhealthy", it always depends on how much of it and what else you eat.
True. But fat is one of the foods it's hard to eat too much of.
Try to sit down to a big bowl of butter. It's just hard to eat by itself. In fact it's one of the tricks used in the keto community to determine a addictive craving versus actual hunger. If you're willing to eat butter by itself, you're hungry, if you're not willing to eat the butter but you still have a craving that's addiction
Man, this would not work for me. I'm always willing to eat butter.
Could you eat a whole stick of butter by itself?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I could. I never did that because I have enough reason and willpower. But eating a bit of butter by itself as a "snack" is something I do sometimes and I'm sure I could eat a lot more if I didn't control myself.
I could eat slabs of it. It's delicious, I like shortbread cos it's just butter mixed with sugar and butter is good. I especially like cheese smothered in butter
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Trans fats are bad.
Excess saturated fat could be bad depending on the health condition of the person.
Trans fats are bad.
ok, yeah, agreed.
Excess saturated fat could be bad depending on the health condition of the person.
This doesn't match my reading of the literature. Even if someone had extensive CVD dietary fat wont increase their bad outcome risks. The damaged cholesterol (glycated and oxidate) is the warning sign of CVD issues - and that is caused by dietary sugar/carbs/industrial oils.
Have you read this? https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2024/september/research-reveals-hidden-dangers-of-high-saturated-fat-diet
A diet high in saturated fat is more dangerous for the heart than a diet high in unsaturated fat, even when there has been no weight gain, according to new research funded by us and presented at the European Society of Cardiology Congress 2024 in London.
I haven't seen it before, is this the paper they are hinting at (I HATE it when articles don't mention the research they are talking about) https://doi.org/10.1242/dmm.050878 ?
The problem with this literature review is the studied studies only look at 30% total energy as LC, which on a 1500 kcal daily intake is 75g of carbs, which means the participants were not in a ketogenic state, not fat adapted, and had elevated insulin levels during the study. I think they looked at a weak signal across the data set, but that is the purpose of literature reviews.
I'm glad they are reviewing the Noakes literature. If you look at table 1, every low carbohydrate intervention regardless of fat composition resulted in a reduction of liver fat. That tells us saturated fat is not a independent variable in this review.
From the conclusion of the paper
Current evidence from hypercaloric feeding studies clearly shows that the consumption of excess calories, regardless of the macronutrient composition, increases IHTG content.
hypercaloric and isocaloric intervention studies in humans is that an individual’s dietary fat composition likely plays a role in mediating their IHTG content and composition
Likely tells us this is a opinion, and they qualified it in the expert opinion even.
Although the effect of SFA on IHTG content appears to diverge from that of unsaturated FA, specifically PUFA, the mechanisms underpinning these observations remain to be elucidated
Likely because this analysis isn't looking along insulin or ketogenic state. Probably because there is lots of paper competition, so taking a novel perspective has a better publication chance for a phd candidate.
It's a interesting literature review, but hardly a smoking gun against saturated fat as a demon, especially when you look at table 1 and the ketogenic interventions.
Please have a look at diet doctors literature review of saturated fat https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/saturated-fat#evidence-to-date
It's extremely well referenced.
Thanks. It is really good to know that I can be more relaxed with saturated fat in my diet. I'm already doing low carb.
Yeah, that's great! I hope you see improvements.
If someone is worried about saturated fat content of their diet they can always do calcium imaging of their arteries - it's inexpensive and gives a actual score of risk. As far as I've read in the literature serum cholesterol is not a danger, only if it's damaged - which can be measured by several proxies (tg/hdl ratio, fasting insulin) or measured directly through diffusion (though that is expensive).
There's a myth that MSG is bad for you and is found in Chinese restaurants. MSG has been studied extensively and never found to cause the symptoms people claim, furthermore MSG is used widely in a huge range of food production (lots of sauces, fast foods etc etc)
MSG is very common in mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, and tomatoes. It's why people love Italian food ao much
I can literally buy it by the bucket.
Same with aspartame. Its been studied until the cows come home and it is safe.
That individual health can be discussed separately from societal conditions such as what the market offers, salary levels, pollution, transport system, working hours, labour market, insurance system et cetera. "If you want to be healthy it is just your own individual responsibility to purchase healthy commercial products and services".
Where I grew up, the well water was poisoned by a chemical dump in the 70's. The public water system that was to replace the wells, draws their water just down stream of said dumpsite and downstream of a nuclear processing plant that dumps heavy radioactive metals into the river.
Guess its my fault for contributing to global pollution by buying bottled water shipped dozens of miles away.
That there are a lot of "Chemicals" in something, and that it's bad for you.
Everything is Chemicals.
dihydrogen monoxide = water
Anti-vaxxers sadly
You need to shower/bathe often. Actually the skin, the biggest organ of our bodies, is great at taking care of itself and washing it (especially with soap et.al) is bad if done too much.
"But(t) smell!"
Well yeah, I agree, but that doesn't change the way our skin has evolved :P
I have seborrheic dermatitis so not washing my skin causes a rash.
But that's a fungus allergy so aren't you mostly treating it with anti-fungus medication?
(One of the proposed mechanisms for why skin becomes allergic to the malassezia yeast in the first place is that we disturb it through our washing routines but there's no consensus on that afaik)
I'm candida overgrowth myself and too much washing with soap worsens it in my case. The human body is a wonderful thing :P
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Detoxing.
If you have working kidneys, you shouldn't need to detox.
Also: weight-loss teas. they give you diharrea so you lose weight in water, which you will immediately gain again.
Normal blood tests means you are healthy
That said, more people should do blood tests regularly and observe the trends. I wish I had my blood tested much earlier. By the time the symptoms surface, a lot of damage is already done.
Yes. It goes both ways but since it was about myths, I posted only one side.
Ugh. Love, Long Covid.
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