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[–] scytale@lemmy.zip 119 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

So fishing for sport where they catch and release is basically torture by getting injured by the hook and then asphyxiating for however long they are out of water before being released.

[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 165 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yup. But deep down we all kinda knew that, right? It was always fish torture for sport.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Now I'm wondering where noodling is on this scale.

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[–] SmokedBillionaire@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago (13 children)

This article in particular is talking about when leaving fish in open air or ice water for the purpose of slaughter. Obviously that would hurt until the fish dies.

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[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The stats on fish survival after being caught and released is actually pretty sad. If I remember correctly there was a lengthy study that showed a survival rate of only like 40%.

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

Was this the fish passing after a few minutes, hours, days? If you remember at all. Was there any controlling for gill damage during the catch? I know some idiots who will hold them up by the gills for pictures, I wonder if that causes damage? Or just dying from shock? I wonder if I can find the study

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[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Suddenly all the cutesy indie life sims with fishing minigames don’t seem so wholesome any more

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Feeling like a fish out of water sounds much darker now.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I remember there was a study done on how to best slaughter swine (pigs).

The methods that were investigated included: a mechanical hit on the head, suffocation in CO2, and some other measures.

What was found was not only that the suffocation method caused significant stress in the animals, but also that the meat collected this way tasted way worse than meat collected through other slaughtering methods.


this could be relevant in this case: if fish suffocate slowly to death, meat producers might have a financial incentive to change that, to be able to sell better-quality meat, possibly at a higher price. anyways, it would make for good advertisement. that is why meat-producers (fish-producers) should take this seriously.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (4 children)

And the reason we still use CO2 slaughter instead of something like Nitrogen is because.... They already have machines built for CO2 and just don't want to pay the cost of changing practices.

Pure greed and laziness.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also co2 is easier because you can fill a pit with it, nitrogen will just float about and disperse.

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[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

My slaughterhouse uses radon. The meat makes my testicle feel funny, and we throw up a lot. And I haven't had hair in years. But it's cheap! And so tender.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I never understood the CO2 suffocation idea.. I mean, I don't k ow about fish, but mammals supposedly have a good detection for CO2 in their blood and it'll set off panic alarms everywhere.

Ignoring the vegetarian discussion for a minute, if they could at least use a different gas, say nitrogen or something, it should be a lot less stressful for the animals

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Are you insane? This gas costs a twelfth of a cent more! There's no way we could implement this."

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have a crazy idea here. Now hear me out, this is gonna sound like a wackadoodle idea, but,...... how about we don't murder the animals? Crazy, I know.

[–] trouble@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (42 children)
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[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

Yes. It's crazy. That's why the vast majority of us don't do it.
It's one thing to be a vegetarian for health or environmental reasons.
When you try to convince people that meat==murder, you come across as a wackadoodle.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The article does a shitty job of linking to the paper

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-04272-1

It makes a pretty good case that fish experience a lot of pain immediately after being taken out of the water.

I don't think this will do much to impact commercial fishing, it seems like it's targeted at the slaughter stages of fish farms

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

so those fish that jump out of the water at times experience pain the moment they leave the water? what time range are we talking? the are fish literally crossing land to get to other waters.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Our population voted someone into the highest office riding on the promise of drilling for more oil and increasing factory farming. We have atomized our culture so much that corporate forces have stripped people of their empathy and care and passion like an overripe banana and we don't mix perspectives anymore so that we can pull people back.

There's no hope of ending this misery until those of us who remain thinking with our minds get off the computer and start socializing, organizing, challenging people and pulling people into our idea of a better tomorrow. Most people don't even know where to find other people to talk to and debate with and this is by design. That's the trap we're in we need to break free of, and then maybe if we can get to that point we can start making cultured meats and alternative proteins a thing.

Otherwise, we're going to fish the oceans until they're dry and we will create hellish suffering for every life form involved until there's nothing left to feel pain.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 1 week ago

Without water, the delicate gill structures that exchange oxygen for carbon dioxide stick together, causing CO2 from respiration to accumulate. These rising levels trigger nociception – the body's alarm system – which causes the fish to gasp. Eventually the elevated CO2 levels acidify the animal's blood and cerebrospinal fluid, ultimately resulting in unconsciousness.

Holy shit. That's horrific.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is why net fishing is so problematic (apart from obvious environmental conserns and bycatch).

Stun your fish people. Don’t let their blood clot and lungs collapse while still conscious for multiple minutes. It’s cruel.

[–] kindernacht@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Let their lungs collapse?...

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How about a new sport... Catch the fish under water and slap him a little, but not too hard?

Or how about just riding your rubber boat to where the fish are, then dropping a speaker and shouting "fuck you fish!" Threw the speaker? You could even hurt them intellectually!

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it's a lot manlier and cooler to stand in the water and grab the fish with your bare hands anyways, then you can look it in the face and tell it to fear god before letting it go

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[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So what you're saying is that Kurt Cobain was wrong and it's actually not OK to eat fish because they do, in fact, have feelings?

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[–] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I believe this is why Japanese fishermen will sometimes use the ikijime method where you kill the fish fast. I believe it also improves the quality of the meat too.

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[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that's why there is Ikejime, the japanese method to dispatch fish

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[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm still not going to tell you where my secret fishing spot is, no matter how many times you ask or scientific studies you perform.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

there's a trend on TikTok where you catfish (heh) men and ask them what their favorite fishing spot is

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is why you just shoot them in the head with a harpoon when you take them out of the water

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I was under the impression that to a fish pain is more of a "get out of there" signal than what it is to us.

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Bring back dynamite fishing then!

[–] Steelkrill@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Poor thing :(

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