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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Easy

Every time there is a conversation regarding men issues, dismiss them as talking about something that clearly DOESN'T EXISTS, demean them, if they are emotionally intelligent enough to defend themselves from the TOTALLY NOT aggressive rhetoric, compare them to something else, preferably, something weaker and less smart than them, bonus points if you attack their sexuality in the same phrase, that always gets them riled up to support you!

Even more so if you treat them like complete imbeciles with a memory span of seconds and assume they forgot about all the years you have been doing this exact same thing!

And whatever you do, don't forget to bring up how women have and keep having BIGGER issues

That'll work wonders

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 days ago

I genuinely believe that more empathy is needed in both directions for people to come out of their trenches. Problem is, it"s hard to feel empathy for those who have no empathy in return. It's a locked position reinforcing itself with every bad interaction. To break out of this we would have to listen and show that we care, while not getting the same things back. It feels bad. Unfair. Again, this goes both ways.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The same as it always has been. Punk Rock. Conservative shit is so goddamn cringe it's really hard to imagine how it has convinced anyone that it is any kind of counterculture.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because the definition of counterculture is "against the mainstream".

The liberal viewpoint has been the mainstream for probably 50 years now. There's a reason there's a song called "Nazi Punks Fuck Off". Because there are Nazi punks. Who exist because not being racist is mainstream, and you can therefore rebel against it.

[–] Emtity_13@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

for most they are very disconnected from reality, just what they see on the internet, being more so raised by it then even their parents. And social media is very good at targeting those more vunrable people becuse social media thrives off of discord

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 50 points 2 days ago (7 children)
  1. Stop dismissing that men have problems which require addressing

A lot of people say things like "men have it the best, they don't need help!" That's nonsense. Everyone who is dealing with problems and is suffering needs help. Helping men doesn't mean you stop helping women, we should help everyone who needs help.

  1. Stop purity tests and infighting

Progressives today are truly awful when it comes to this. I'm not talking about including nazis, I'm talking about attacking people who agree with you on 90% of topics. Like if someone thinks trans people should be totally treated as the gender they express in every facet of society, except they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's physical sports competitions.

  1. Messaging needs HUGE improvement

This is another one that progressives have a terrible problem with. They do a terrible job of letting people know how they're being helped, and they also use language that gives the impression that they're against you. For example "the patriarchy" is a terrible term that makes men feel attacked, even though that's not what it's about at all. What most people actually mean to refer to is "gender norms", meaning concepts like 'men should fuck a lot of women and not express their emotions'. "Gender norms" is a much more accurate term and it doesn't make men feel like they're being attacked.

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[–] disconsented@lemmy.nz 32 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The reality of this all is rather complex but I think the greatest issue is fundamentally the empathy gap. Men's issues are not recognized as issues, they're just dismissed out of hand. I'm talking about the easy things like the sentencing and education gaps.

We need to start the discourse that these are very real problems that are worth addressing.

Another problem I personally run into is how it's acceptable to discriminate against men, "kill all men" is acceptable but "kill all race" isn't. Neither should be and we don't recognize it as a problem, instead defaulting to arguments that are considered horrendous in another context.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Every time I have heard someone say "kill all men" I have immediately dismissed everything else they are saying because their logic is just as rotten as other racists/sexists

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

Reframe spending as stimulating the economy.

Create jobs through a green new deal that allows for upeard mobility for the motivated. Small business grants.

Create tax incentives for, endorse and give loam grants to businesses that provide workers with a share of a company. Whether co-op type thing or convoluted stock share program.

Young men want to matter, and they want to see the results of their effort.

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Christ - some of these replies are exactly what a lot of women talk about when we say that Lemmy has a misogyny problem.

Blokes really don't recognize how much harder shit actually is for women, overall. It would be lovely to just sit on a bench for 5 mins without a stranger coming to chat me up, or if people would stop crediting men for my work when they don't even ask for it.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do what you say you're going to do when you get elected. Quit finding just enough no votes and making excuses. You promise, we vote, you don't deliver. Then you ask "why does no one want to vote for us? We promised to be marginally less terrible than our opponents!"

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"We promised to be marginally less terrible than our opponents!" DNC 2028

In hope I'm wrong, but we can probably start printing their yard signs now.

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Start by no longer telling men who have done nothing wrong they are responsible for the misdeeds of others. It breeds resentment and closes people to anything else you have to say.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 38 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Be nice and respectful to them and masculinity. Like "It's masculine to protect the oppressed"

Don't belittle anyone for that matter, such as based on race, gender or religions, even if you're upset at that grouping.

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Legit I think it's to shift the focus away from helping other people for the sake of being nice and onto uniting together to fight a common enemy - the bosses, corporations, etc. Dale the machinist from Alabama isn't going to go to the protest to protect trans latinx PoC out of the kidness of his own heart but he might if he realizes it's part of a larger project to go out to take back his rights from the people fucking him over, and fuck over his boss. Young men are drawn to masculinity and militaristic language right now, and left wing politics can be easily framed in those terms. Yes, being good to other people should be good in its own right but a lot of people don't see it that way and we need to get them on our side too.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe stop hating their guts..

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