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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

The elimination of ghost jobs, for a start. If you have to jump through hoops for a job that doesn't exist, that instills a strong distrust in society. People need money to make headway in their life, and shit like ghost jobs corrode the feeling of hope.

Once you cannot feel love for living anymore, that is a great deal of space in one's heart to be filled with hatred.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Punching nazis can be nice and masculine if you like.

[–] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We could show them the Letter Kenny episode where they beat up the neoNazis.

Or dome old captain america comics. A certain tarentino movie. Biography of any of a hundred oss/sas guys. Like a million soviet films on the subject.

There's options.

[–] Smeagol666@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago

Promote and get behind actual progressive candidates, not corporatist shills like Hillary or Kamala. I like Kshama Sawant because she calls shit like she sees it.

[–] cook_pass_babtridge@feddit.uk 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Talk about issues that affect the working class. Not the white working class, not working class men, just everyone who makes a living by drawing a wage. Progressive movements are formed by solidarity, and we have more in common with other working class people than any of the politicians or business leaders who set the tone of this debate.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Simple. What do young men care about? Getting laid and getting paid. Promise them that, and you'll get their votes.

You'll need to use coded language, of course. But using coded language is politicians' whole job.

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[–] Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Quit trying to make young white men feel guilty for existing. I come from poor white trash. As near as I can tell, my family never benefitted from slavery in any possible way. So fuck you. I dont feel bad about something I didn't do, no one in my family did, and we aint gonna pay for it.

[–] i_ben_fine@midwest.social 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't know where this "white guilt" stuff comes from. I'm the same demo as you, but never felt that.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The world is not America - so how come this is an issue in other places?

This white guilt argument just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny and is just nazi propaganda. Let's be honest here.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

You are losing the class war, that's what matters. Not you being young, or white, or a man.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe stop labeling them the “enemy” with posts like these?

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Young adults needs stronger world frameworks that don't feel forced on them.

IMO that's a virtue system!

I've been a Stoic for over 20 years now and managed to convert dozens of people to progressive thought just by discussing virtues that are inherit to human nature (justice, courage, wisdom, temperance). People like abstract virtues because they're easy to incorporate to their personal world models with very little friction and friction is the real thought killer.

Most people are truth seeking but can be very slow learners and some really rebel against strong friction so there's a need for more abstract approaches like - using "colorblind" instead of arguing race, using "cosmopolitan" when argueing geopolitics, using "secular" when arguing religion etc etc. Every other argument can follow afterwards.

This is the way.

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[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well it would be a good starting point if we actually had progressive politicians. The Democrats lose because they have no substantive platform for actually helping people because doing that would go against their donors. To be clear, it’s the same for Republicans. There’s a reason why the government just ping pongs between the two parties. The only reliable base either party has is the one that’s more culturally aligned with them, whatever that means at the time.

If they literally ever credibly ran on basic issues like housing, food, healthcare and the elections were fair, they would win. But they don’t, because they can’t, so they will never have consistent support.

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[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

Education. You will never be able to explain taxes in a way that can counter propaganda if the person is an idiot. You just won't. And until then it's an uphill battle.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Idk how do you "sell" being a decent fucking person?

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I don't follow the media and the debate where you live, but over here left leaning politicians and media tends to frame it as: women, minorites etc have a problem. Men are the problem.

You're basically pushing any undecided man over to the right.

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[–] Emtity_13@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

for most they are very disconnected from reality, just what they see on the internet, being more so raised by it then even their parents. And social media is very good at targeting those more vunrable people becuse social media thrives off of discord

[–] bent@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

You need to make it fun and engaging for them. That is what the far right is doining. You and I might find it reprehensible, but they het som much traction bu having fun and giving young men a purpose and the feeling that they are doing something to netter themselves and their commuity.

How you go about that I dont know. In my local area we are focusing on having fun partiets and going out together as a group instead of just being political nerds in our own little grottos. Som far it seems to be working.

Tl;dr: Have fun visibly and invite them to join you. It takes forever, but at least you have fun while doing it.

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